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6 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

It’s not bad. It’s not bad at all. JC does his work on the outside for the most part. Gobert is huge and keeps balls alive.

I don’t know, I like this move on the court. I heard financially it kills us, if true then no, but if we can work it out where we can keep flexibility and get Gobert, I’m in.

Financially, I don't think Gobert is a 20 million dollar upgrade.  However, in the state of panic, I think we will make the move for him....and we will not really address the Wangs.  

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6 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

It seems to be a constant theme with this team. Collins has been on the block 3 years straight etc. I think it is hard to build a cohesive group with that constant chatter. To John's credit, he has been a professional but these are very young guys. There should be vote of confidence not questions after every freaking season.

I actually agree with you. IMO Collins should be in the untouchable camp with Trae. Collins has earned that. But that's my opinion. If a team is willing to send us a legit star then unfortunately I think Collins is going to be the necessary good to get great sacrifice.

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1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

What if Paul has a sudden drop off...actually I think it has occurred already but what if he is worst than pandemic P? What then?

Well, you can say that he might.  However, I don't think that is the case.  George is 2 years younger than Steph Curry.   Nobody is expecting Curry to have a sudden drop off right?

 

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1 minute ago, Sothron said:

I actually agree with you. IMO Collins should be in the untouchable camp with Trae. Collins has earned that. But that's my opinion. If a team is willing to send us a legit star then unfortunately I think Collins is going to be the necessary good to get great sacrifice.

Like I said, this staff should be in the lab and not in the media.  We have enough in the core to succeed with a few tweaks

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Just now, Diesel said:

Well, you can say that he might.  However, I don't think that is the case.  George is 2 years younger than Steph Curry.   Nobody is expecting Curry to have a sudden drop off right?

 

He has looked bad over the past 3 years to me. Especially in the playoffs

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1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:

We shall see whose available. Again I’m not making a deal to make a deal but I would like to move either JC or Cap or Hunter or 2/3 or even Huerter.

Honestly I’m Trae/OO right now and that’s it.

 

So you don't have a trade in mind nor do you have a plausible team following your trade scenario that you think will compete..you just have player that you want to trade. Got it

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9 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

So you don't have a trade in mind nor do you have a plausible team following you you trade scenario that you think will compete..you just have player that you want to trade. Got it

Least I ain’t trying to trade Trae. And don’t say you didn’t mean to say that I know what you were getting at.

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4 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Least I ain’t trying to trade Trae. And don’t say you didn’t mean to say that I know what you were getting at.

What in the h-ll are you talking about. When have I ever suggested a trade period?

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38 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

When did I say give him away? You only make a deal if you feel it helps your ball club. By no means am I trading JC for a crap package, no way, but now I’m entertaining having his name out there a bit more than I may have last year, ok more than a bit.

I'm just saying trading a guy coming off his toughest stretch who hadn't been healthy for around 3+ months is probably selling low, so I don't think we are gonna be getting good value for him atm. 

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2 hours ago, shakes said:

If Bogi is even a below average defensive player I'll eat all the sand and nickels in @kg01 pockets, even the oddly warm ones.

And don't skip over the moist ones ....

But, in all seriousness, on his good nights, he's an average defender.  If you disagree, you're just overrating "average" defense in the league.

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1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

He has looked bad over the past 3 years to me. Especially in the playoffs

Playoffs Series  (Paul George) 2019, 2020, 2021....

 
    Totals   Shooting   Per Game
Year Age Team Lg Round W/L Opp   G W L MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS   FG% 3P% FT%   MP PTS TRB AST
                                                                     
2019 28 OKC 2019 WC1 L (1-4) POR   5 1 4 204 44 101 15 47 40 49 6 43 18 7 1 20 21 143   .436 .319 .816   40.8 28.6 8.6 3.6
2020 29 LAC 2020 WC1 W (4-2) DAL   6 4 2 217 38 106 14 51 21 22 7 41 24 5 1 16 24 111   .358 .275 .955   36.1 18.5 6.8 4.0
2020 29 LAC 2020 WCS L (3-4) DEN   7 3 4 262 50 115 23 60 29 33 7 38 25 14 6 24 25 152   .435 .383 .879   37.4 21.7 5.4 3.6
2021 30 LAC 2021 WC1 W (4-3) DAL   7 4 3 285 55 119 15 49 40 45 7 63 40 6 6 22 25 165   .462 .306 .889   40.7 23.6 9.0 5.7
2021 30 LAC 2021 WCS W (4-2) UTA   6 4 2 245 55 125 20 48 44 49 8 57 29 6 3 23 23 174   .440 .417 .898   40.8 29.0 9.5 4.8
2021 30 LAC 2021 WCF L (2-4) PHO   6 2 4 247 55 130 16 55 46 60 2 63 33 7 1 22 11 172   .423 .291 .767   41.2 28.7 10.5 5.5

 

Summary

2019 vs. PTL  - 28.6 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3.6 apg

2020 vs. Dal 1st round  - 18.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 4.0 apg

2020 vs. DEN 2nd round - 21.7 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 3.6 apg

2021 vs. DAL  1st round - 23.6 ppg, 9 rpg, 5.7 apg

2021 vs. UTA 2nd round  - 29.0 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 4.8 apg

2021 vs. PHO WCF  28.7 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 5.5 apg

This is looking bad to you??

 

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9 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Playoffs Series  (Paul George) 2019, 2020, 2021....

 
    Totals   Shooting   Per Game
Year Age Team Lg Round W/L Opp   G W L MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS   FG% 3P% FT%   MP PTS TRB AST
                                                                     
2019 28 OKC 2019 WC1 L (1-4) POR   5 1 4 204 44 101 15 47 40 49 6 43 18 7 1 20 21 143   .436 .319 .816   40.8 28.6 8.6 3.6
2020 29 LAC 2020 WC1 W (4-2) DAL   6 4 2 217 38 106 14 51 21 22 7 41 24 5 1 16 24 111   .358 .275 .955   36.1 18.5 6.8 4.0
2020 29 LAC 2020 WCS L (3-4) DEN   7 3 4 262 50 115 23 60 29 33 7 38 25 14 6 24 25 152   .435 .383 .879   37.4 21.7 5.4 3.6
2021 30 LAC 2021 WC1 W (4-3) DAL   7 4 3 285 55 119 15 49 40 45 7 63 40 6 6 22 25 165   .462 .306 .889   40.7 23.6 9.0 5.7
2021 30 LAC 2021 WCS W (4-2) UTA   6 4 2 245 55 125 20 48 44 49 8 57 29 6 3 23 23 174   .440 .417 .898   40.8 29.0 9.5 4.8
2021 30 LAC 2021 WCF L (2-4) PHO   6 2 4 247 55 130 16 55 46 60 2 63 33 7 1 22 11 172   .423 .291 .767   41.2 28.7 10.5 5.5

 

Summary

2019 vs. PTL  - 28.6 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3.6 apg

2020 vs. Dal 1st round  - 18.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 4.0 apg

2020 vs. DEN 2nd round - 21.7 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 3.6 apg

2021 vs. DAL  1st round - 23.6 ppg, 9 rpg, 5.7 apg

2021 vs. UTA 2nd round  - 29.0 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 4.8 apg

2021 vs. PHO WCF  28.7 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 5.5 apg

This is looking bad to you??

 

I noticed you didn't put those shooting percentages up there.

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5 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I noticed you didn't put those shooting percentages up there.

How about this...  we take PG's numbers in their entirety and we take any one of our others that you like numbers in their entirety.. and let's compare and see who will be better help for Trae...

I'll take the guy who put up 29, 11, and 6 in his last playoff series... 

When Hunter can't get you a rebound.. or when Bogi is playing Olay Defense.. you will come around. 

 

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31 minutes ago, Diesel said:

How about this...  we take PG's numbers in their entirety and we take any one of our others that you like numbers in their entirety.. and let's compare and see who will be better help for Trae...

I'll take the guy who put up 29, 11, and 6 in his last playoff series... 

When Hunter can't get you a rebound.. or when Bogi is playing Olay Defense.. you will come around. 

 

39.8% /44.1% shooting in 2019/20 2020/21.  Didn't even make the playoffs this year hmmmm.

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3 hours ago, Diesel said:

How about this...  we take PG's numbers in their entirety and we take any one of our others that you like numbers in their entirety.. and let's compare and see who will be better help for Trae...

I'll take the guy who put up 29, 11, and 6 in his last playoff series... 

When Hunter can't get you a rebound.. or when Bogi is playing Olay Defense.. you will come around. 

 

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7 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Just saying it's a bad look not only to his teammates but the rest of the league players.  The message is no matter what, you will get blamed for the team's failure rather than the sacred cow

LOL....if it were up to you we'd be keeping the guy was was one of the worst in the NBA all year because he had a great Game five when the Heat were completely  ignoring him and trading away the guy that has carried the team for the last 3 years. The all nba player that is by far the best on the team. But yeah, let's trade him and keep the league avg guy.

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8 hours ago, Diesel said:

More than likely, we will be sending Clint, Hunter, and a Pick for Gobert.   And the JC/Gorbert/Player X frontcourt will be the new norm.

 

Doubt it. They will never get Capela and Hunter . It’s more likely to be Capela and Huerter in a trade to Utah.

Hunter is hard to trade because the SF market is all dried up. It wouldn’t be smart to trade Hunter. Hard to replace him just due to no real SF starting options out there.

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7 minutes ago, JTB said:

Doubt it. They will never get Capela and Hunter . It’s more likely to be Capela and Huerter in a trade to Utah.

Hunter is hard to trade because the SF market is all dried up. It wouldn’t be smart to trade Hunter. Hard to replace him just due to no real SF starting options out there.

If we keep #16, we probably take the best SF on the board. 

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