The Mega Super Rumor Thread (Part 2)

[Mikey]

27 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

"at that spot" is literally in reference to the guy who quoted me saying they would upgrade shooting guard and center.

Personal insult deleted

[Mikey]

1 hour ago, marco102 said:

Everybody is an exaggeration.  Kirschner has his best guess of who may not be on the team.  The most likely candidate is Bogi and Capela. 

If there are better deals for the Hawks to get better with sending out JC, they may make the trade.

I can almost guarantee they will not be trading JC to Portland for the 7th pick in a weak draft. 

Unless they've brought in some other upgrades at the 2 and center spots.

here is the comment that the guy said I was referencing...

Edited June 17, 2022 by Mikey

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, Mikey said:

here is the comment that the guy said I was referencing...

I think your word choice may have created some of the confusion.  If you were referring to the 2 and 5 spots, you would normally talk about upgrades "at those spots" while if you were talking about upgrading the 4 you would talk about an upgrade "at that spot."  You used the latter singular form instead of the plural form to reference multiple positions.  (Thanks for editing the original wording.)

[JayBirdHawk]

16 minutes ago, Mikey said:

"at that spot" is literally in reference to the guy who quoted me saying they would upgrade shooting guard and center.

Personal insult deleted

Uuummm....3 people asked you who were the replacement PF from the 'at that spot' comment - you mentioned Anderson and Grant - so I guess we all misunderstood .

[Mikey]

47 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Uuummm....3 people asked you who were the replacement PF from the 'at that spot' comment - you mentioned Anderson and Grant - so I guess we all misunderstood .

yes replacement pf not upgrade. Never said we would upgrade at that position I said we would get a replacement level player...

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Mikey said:

yes replacement pf not upgrade. Never said we would upgrade at that position I said we would get a replacement level player...

[h4wkfan]

3 hours ago, kg01 said:

Seems obvious.  If a move nets you a worse player, how is it not a mistake?

If you think my aversion to downgrading talent means I therefore assume we're close to a title, I'd humbly ask you not to make such wide-sweeping assumptions.

I see what you did there - fellow  apologist. 

[MarylandHawk]

3 hours ago, Mikey said:

They could get a replacement level player. The pf in our system literally has just sat in the corner for years. Maybe like a kyle anderson who could also serve as a backup ball handler which we also need. The power forward is not one of value on this team and they shouldn't allocate the resources to that position like they do to a center.

How is it netting you the worse player tho?? Just casue the player is worse year 1 because hes a rookie does not mean he will be worse long term especially when its a better fit

Him and JC are really good friends. Wouldn't be shocking 

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29682987/from-afar-watching-basketball-john-collins
 

I am making that assessment of if their well know history if brotherhood. Their games also mesh well with each other. When you match that with the rumors about Mitchell and Gobert not getting along with these recent rumors of Utah and the hawks, I am just putting two and two together. 

[Diesel]

 

also...

About the Mitchell wanting to play with JC...

Couldn't we just trade for Mitchell?  He's close friends with JC and Trae...

[JTB]

1 hour ago, MarylandHawk said:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29682987/from-afar-watching-basketball-john-collins
 

I am making that assessment of if their well know history if brotherhood. Their games also mesh well with each other. When you match that with the rumors about Mitchell and Gobert not getting along with these recent rumors of Utah and the hawks, I am just putting two and two together. 

From My research Trae and Mitchell are just as close. So I’m sure the 3 of them (Trae, Collins, Mitchell) are all good friends.

its something but then it’s not…this whole era of the nba are friends seem like to me.

[JTB]

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

 

also...

About the Mitchell wanting to play with JC...

Couldn't we just trade for Mitchell?  He's close friends with JC and Trae...

Exactly what I just said….seems to me it would be the other way around of Trae and Collins trying to tell Mitchell to force his way to Atlanta IF we are going to base things off of friendships.

trae and Mitchell worked out together a few off seasons I believe too.

[MarylandHawk]

Seems like everybody is in rude mode because alls the same rumors are circulating. None us know what will happen. It won’t stop me from trying to figure it out with slivers of information I have. 

[sturt]

Now that GSW has gotten their 24 hours of attention, I wonder if the trade dam breaks open over tomorrow, or waits to Monday.

[kg01]

2 hours ago, MarylandHawk said:

Seems like everybody is in rude mode because alls the same rumors are circulating. None us know what will happen. It won’t stop me from trying to figure it out with slivers of information I have. 

It happens on all days ending in 'y'. 

[theheroatl]

7 hours ago, sturt said:

Now that GSW has gotten their 24 hours of attention, I wonder if the trade dam breaks open over tomorrow, or waits to Monday.

I’m hoping for at least one NBA trade on Monday. It’s getting dry out there.

[NBASupes]

NBA Draft Update

1. Orlando - Orlando is locking into Jabari Smith with 1st overall. 

2. OKC - He thinks it's much closer than expected with Holmgren and Ivey. Neck in neck. OKC wants to move back or up for Ivey but the cost is extremely steep to move up and SAC likes their trade down values over trading up. 

3. Houston- They love Banchero the most at 3 but if Holmgren falls to 3, it will be a difficult decision for Houston  

4. Sacramento- They are clearly selling 4 unless Pablo or Holmgren falls. I am told the price is steep, they want a SGA type player for the pick. Its gonna cost you tremendously in real assets. My personal favorites are SA with Murray/9 or Utah with Mitchell is offered. None of these offers have been made yet but I wouldn't be surprised if they are. Its gonna be extremely expensive. Expect Atlanta to really come hard but it will cost them without question A LOT! 

5. DET - this is Keegan Murray lane and the gap between 4 and 5 is MASSIVE. Basically from SGA to Jerami Grant types. Unless teams want to make a run for the playoffs, expect them to stay put. 

6. IND - Been active of late. They wanted in on Ayton but he hasn't been that receptive. Maybe adding John Collins could change that and give them at least an interview but even with Collins, you have to accept, if you don't land Ayton, this is your core. Is this what you want long term. Indiana has options. I am expecting them to land Mathurin if they stay. 

7. POR - Their name is listed all over for OG Anunoby. They want a big wing. If it falls through, they really like John Collins too. This is probably the pick most likely to be shipped outside of SAC if Ivey falls to 4. 

10. WAS - They have been extremely active looking for upgrades for a possible Beal resigning. I don't believe they have the assets to land 4 and as I've said before, I don't believe they have the assets to land a JC or Anunoby type unless they are willing to move their best assets. 10 isn't enough. Washington is looking to make a splash. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Hawks Want a Lottery Pick, Will Trade John Collins to Get One

Of all the teams looking to move into the lottery, the Hawks seem like an odd choice.

After making it to the East Finals in 2021, Atlanta had to win a pair of play-in games for the right to get bounced in the first round by the Miami Heat this year. Trae Young is a superstar, but the rest of the recent draft picks around him have turned into nothing more than role players (De'Andre Hunter, Kevin Huerter) or have already been traded (Cam Reddish).

John Collins, one of the few picks who have blossomed and been given a large role in Atlanta, is reportedly on the trade block as well as the Hawks look to move into the lottery.

According to The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor: "League sources say the Hawks are looking to add a lottery pick either by outright trading John Collins or also including this selection. One of the teams they’ve had talks with is Portland."

For a team that features an MVP candidate in Young and some quality veterans with Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanovic and Danilo Gallinari, giving up assets to move back up for yet another young player seems questionable.

Head coach Nate McMillan didn't seem interested in developing last year's draft picks, Jalen Johnson (selected 20th overall) and Sharife Cooper (48th overall). The two combined to play just 159 total minutes all season.

Moving up from No. 16 to No. 7 (or trading Collins) for a rookie is only going to require more assets and developmental time for a core that looked like it was ready to win two seasons ago.

Even if the Blazers would be interested in pairing Collins with Damian Lillard, it's hard to envision the Hawks actually being better next season with such a move.

B.S. Meter: High. Atlanta doesn't need another young player to develop and should be looking for veteran talent to place around Trae Young instead.

 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10038933-bs-meter-for-latest-2022-nba-draft-rumors.amp.html

[Diesel]

25 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

B.S. Meter: High. Atlanta doesn't need another young player to develop and should be looking for veteran talent to place around Trae Young instead.

[ShooterSays]

The only way we trade JC is if we're confident Ayton is on his way to ATL.

Even then, I'd rather build around Trae/Hunter/JC/Ayton.

But Hawks management must feel it's more important to have another ballhandler, playmaker, and perimeter defender at the 2 next to Trae. I can't say I really disagree... Just hate to lose John to get that (especially for an unproven rookie).

[RedDawg#8]

Too much smoke not to believe that we really are trying to move JC.

It screams of us being cheap. The best piece we have left to package together for  a “name” player, and we are jumping at the bit to move him for a draft pick. 

That is a money saving move if I ever saw one, and just shows again we are not serious about competing for titles.