Is there a hard reality Check Coming???

[macdaddy]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I'm hoping JJ can be the backup 4, he may not shoot the 3 like Gallo but maybe his varying skillset being more athletic and playing above the rim offsets the 3pt volume from Gallo.

I really hope JJ can be in the rotation.   Of everything i saw from him in college park, his passing could make him really dangerous.   Especially next to a guy like OO who has good hands and touch around the hoop.   I just have no idea if JJ can play D or not. 

[sturt]

As was thoroughly discussed in the lead-up to the Murray trade, he's not a sure thing... players like Oladipo caution imagining that achieving a single All-Star Game (and at that, a replacement) establishes a player as upper tier or near upper tier for succeeding seasons.

But you have to like Murray's chances... not by evidence of history.... interestingly enough given a recent conversation in a whole other realm that I'm absolutely not going to venture into... but by evidence of line of reason... the theory makes too much sense to not feel good about it proving true.

[sturt]

11 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

 I just have no idea if JJ can play D or not. 

I think we have good reason to believe JJ can play D better than Gallo, though... no?

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, sturt said:

I think we have good reason to believe JJ can play D better than Gallo, though... no?

This - he just needs to be better than Gallo.

[macdaddy]

24 minutes ago, sturt said:

I think we have good reason to believe JJ can play D better than Gallo, though... no?

You would hope but at least Gallo knew what to do and had the effort.  He just lacks physical ability.   But if you don't know how to play D then all the ability in the world won't help.   I'm optimistic though.

[Spud2nique]

34 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This - he just needs to be better than Gallo.

Whose better Gallo or Bogi? At one on one and team D last year? I’m just asking because I think it’s close but not sure.

[macdaddy]

6 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Whose better Gallo or Bogi? At one on one and team D last year? I’m just asking because I think it’s close but not sure.

Last year might have been Gallo but 2 knees Bogi is pretty solid in my opinion.  

[Spud2nique]

4 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Last year might have been Gallo but 2 knees Bogi is pretty solid in my opinion.  

Ya they may have been the two worst, Trae was 3rd prolly, I mean out of the core.

[JayBirdHawk]

13 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Whose better Gallo or Bogi? At one on one and team D last year? I’m just asking because I think it’s close but not sure.

Yes!

6 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

but 2 knees Bogi is pretty solid in my opinion. 

...I will agree that a healthy Bogi can do somethings.

[Spud2nique]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Yes!

...I will agree that a healthy Bogi can do somethings.

 

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I guess the questions are how are we to offset Gallo and Huerter's 3pt shooting:

1. Can JJ and/or Frank K pick up some of the Gallo slack

2. More quality attempts/looks for Hunter and Collins

3. With Murray on board, will Trae have more CnS opportunities instead of pull up 3s.

4. Holiday will need to improve is 3pt percentages 34% as opposed to Huerter's 38% on similar attempts

Even though I liked Huerter and Gallo's shooting, I believe that they became a crutch for us...  a bad crutch for us at that.  I recall praying that we would just come down and somebody would put the ball on the floor (DH) and drive the lane because at times, we had 3 guys on the perimeter and the only other thing we were doing was playing 1/5 PNR. 

I'm not saying that it was predictable because Trae is a maestro.  But what I'm saying is that when the shots from outside wasn't falling, we didn't change. 

The one thing about Gallo is that he was a walking Bucket.   I already miss that.  What I mean was that when shots wasn't falling, Gallo would post up and he could get his shot on most defenses.  That is the aspect of Gallo's game that I will miss the most. 

I think that what some of the pundits don't account for is Trae.  Trae is a maestro with the ball but he's also a deadeye shooter.  IF we get to the place where Murray can easily find Trae in his spots... we will be dangerous as a team has ever been.  Historically dangerous.   I'm glad that Trae is in the Lab with Curry's trainer.  He needs to get that same Curry strength that will allow him to move without the ball and still be a strong option on offense.  Honestly, when Bogi would have the ball and Trae played off ball before, Trae would sit in the corner and do nothing.   I think Murray is much more apt to pass the ball and therefore, we will have a strong fast break and a strong play out of the fast break.

 

 

[Diesel]

25 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Whose better Gallo or Bogi? At one on one and team D last year? I’m just asking because I think it’s close but not sure.

Gallo because of Bogi's knee.  When Bogi's knee is good, Bogi gives a good effort.   And Gallo's defense has always been suspect. 

 

[Spud2nique]

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

believe that they became a crutch for us...  a bad crutch for us at that.  I recall praying that we would just come down and somebody would put the ball on the floor (DH) and drive the lane because at times, we had 3 guys on the perimeter and the only other thing we were doing was playing 1/5 PNR. 

Agreed. Look, I love what Gallo brought for a 2 years ago but last year he was a liability for us, there were nights where he wouldn’t stop jacking up shots and they weren’t going in… I know I know shooters shoot, but he shot us out of a few games for sure, however in his defense, if he didn’t shoot us out, someone else would have most likely.

 

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

And Gallo's defense has always been suspect. 

True the only thing Gallo is underrated at is banging down low, sometimes I get the feeling that just because he’s a perimeter player on offense that some players think he’s soft and find out he’s not THAT soft in the post. 
 

But overall, ya he’s a C-/D+ defender at best, he can’t shuffle those feet fast enough to stay in from of people.

[macdaddy]

13 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I recall praying that we would just come down and somebody would put the ball on the floor (DH) and drive the lane

Me too.   Yeah i hope those days are over.

[macdaddy]

8 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Agreed. Look, I love what Gallo brought for a 2 years ago but last year he was a liability for us, there were nights where he wouldn’t stop jacking up shots and they weren’t going in… I know I know shooters shoot, but he shot us out of a few games for sure, however in his defense, if he didn’t shoot us out, someone else would have most likely.

 

Yeah i'm sure Gallo looked around at his passing options who were all like 

and just decided he was the best option. 

 

[Diesel]

About his Post game, Gallo's post game was so deadly because he started as a big Sf who mostly shot from outside.   But the guy has post skills.  I  hate we couldn't keep him and I really hate he went to Boston, but we got Younger and More defensive this offseason.

 

[Spud2nique]

39 minutes ago, Diesel said:

About his Post game, Gallo's post game was so deadly because he started as a big Sf who mostly shot from outside.   But the guy has post skills.  I  hate we couldn't keep him and I really hate he went to Boston, but we got Younger and More defensive this offseason.

 

Ya that’s the thing I always wondered. I mean it takes away a bit from the transition game obviously but why didn’t we milk that play over and over until they stopped it. We seemed to go to it every 10 plays or so. 
 

I don’t know but old school coaches used to POUND a play till the opposition stopped. Now it’s my turn your turn style, nah I’m in favor of milking to your advantage as Gallo was like you said superior in the post due to just being bigger most of the time and being able to shoot over people like Kay Dee.

[Diesel]

52 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Ya that’s the thing I always wondered. I mean it takes away a bit from the transition game obviously but why didn’t we milk that play over and over until they stopped it. We seemed to go to it every 10 plays or so. 
 

I don’t know but old school coaches used to POUND a play till the opposition stopped. Now it’s my turn your turn style, nah I’m in favor of milking to your advantage as Gallo was like you said superior in the post due to just being bigger most of the time and being able to shoot over people like Kay Dee.

You are right.  I think had Trae been a more veteran PG...we would have milked Gallo til he was stopped.  I'm talking more Vet like Magic.   I think it's that he went with one strategy.. run the play to open up the floor for the shooters.   The problem is that the floor was always open for the shooters (including himself) so with all the other options, he would go away from the post. 

However, this season, he has to add more strategy than just that.  We will have slashing plays with Murray, we will have plays with Hunter going to the rim and we may even have some times when JC wants the ball going into the post.   Those plays will become more effective than the three point shot has been for us over the past two years. 

 

[RedDawg#8]

Better defense SHOULD equal less shootouts, which means less dependance on hitting 3’s, which is what we will inevitably be worse at anyways.