Official Game Thread: Hawks at Lakers

[JayBirdHawk]

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

See how well and thoughtful that was explained.

Light-years more insightful than the usual 'Trae don't play no defence' and 'Collins is trash' stuff. 

I would really like to see some hard nosed perimeter defense from the guys that are supposed to be 'defenders' -- Murray and Hunter.

[kg01]

19 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I would really like to see some hard nosed perimeter defense from the guys that are supposed to be 'defenders' -- Murray and Hunter.

He's about thisclose to earning the day-to-Deandre moniker.......

[Watchman]

20 hours ago, Diesel said:

Who do we have that will stand in front of Lebron and stop him from trucking down our lane??

Where is our big?

It doesn't matter.  Do you think the refs will put a stop to LeBron?  The league office would have their head.

[Diesel]

6 minutes ago, Watchman said:

It doesn't matter.  Do you think the refs will put a stop to LeBron?  The league office would have their head.

Oh, I know that the refs won't. 

However, we should have somebody that will give Lebron second thoughts.   We don't have that and he just gets a head full of steam and runs right at our guys. 

 

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

 

Then add the really weak bench and a deeper NBA and you have a lottery team 

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I would really like to see some hard nosed perimeter defense from the guys that are supposed to be 'defenders' -- Murray and Hunter.

Both help lead us to the 13th rated defense in the NBA with WOAT killing possession on that end. 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

He's about thisclose to earning the day-to-Deandre moniker.......

So my Marvin thread was sadly accurate.  

[Diesel]

3 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Even when Capela comes back, our defense will be better, but he'll miss close put back shots that stagnate our offense, with Collins disappearing again. 

This is a narrative.. the question is ....is it true?

 

Net (Per 100 Poss)
Rk	Lineup	Tm	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	PTS ▼	ORB	ORB%	DRB	DRB%	TRB	TRB%	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF
1	C. Capela | J. Collins | D. Hunter | T. Young	ATL	352:46	+5.3	+4.0	+.037	-0.9	-4.1	+.015	+.030	+0.2	-0.9	+.045	+10.0	+1.3	+3.4	+2.6	+3.4	+2.0	+4.2	+3.8	+0.2	+0.4	-2.4	-2.1
2	C. Capela | J. Collins | D. Hunter | D. Murray	ATL	352:40	+4.9	+3.7	+.034	-0.9	-4.3	+.015	+.027	+0.9	0.0	+.045	+9.7	+1.5	+3.9	+2.9	+3.9	+2.4	+5.0	+3.2	+0.2	+0.1	-1.8	-2.7
3	C. Capela | J. Collins | D. Murray | T. Young	ATL	380:34	+4.9	+3.8	+.033	-0.2	-1.4	+.010	+.029	+0.1	-0.6	+.030	+9.6	+1.2	+3.3	+2.5	+3.3	+1.9	+4.2	+3.3	+0.6	+1.5	-2.0	-2.1
4	J. Collins | D. Hunter | D. Murray | T. Young	ATL	539:08	+3.4	+2.1	+.027	-0.8	-1.5	-.011	+.021	0.0	-1.3	+.049	+6.1	-1.3	-2.1	0.0	-2.1	-0.7	-1.5	+0.4	-0.5	+0.5	-2.3	-1.9
5	J. Collins | D. Murray | O. Okongwu | T. Young	ATL	216:31	+1.4	+0.6	+.013	+0.2	-2.3	+.035	+.014	-2.1	-4.8	+.079	+0.9	-2.8	-6.3	-2.5	-6.3	-2.6	-6.1	-5.4	-2.0	-0.2	-0.8	-0.5
6	J. Collins | D. Hunter | O. Okongwu | T. Young	ATL	183:23	+1.7	+0.1	+.019	-0.7	-2.5	+.006	+.015	-2.6	-4.4	+.048	+0.2	-2.7	-5.4	-0.6	-5.4	-1.5	-3.7	-6.9	-2.1	+0.5	+0.2	-0.9
7	J. Collins | D. Hunter | D. Murray | O. Okongwu	ATL	211:14	+1.0	+2.8	-.004	-2.3	-4.9	-.026	-.019	0.0	-2.4	+.088	-0.3	-1.2	-3.3	-2.4	-3.3	-1.9	-4.3	-6.4	-0.4	+0.5	-2.1	-0.6
8	J. Collins | A. Holiday | D. Murray | O. Okongwu	ATL	79:58	-1.0	+11.4	-.067	-1.7	-3.5	-.022	-.083	+2.5	+1.9	+.052	-1.2	+2.5	+1.2	-8.0	+1.2	-2.7	-5.7	-2.9	+4.8	-1.2	-8.3	-1.5
9	J. Collins | A. Griffin | D. Murray | O. Okongwu	ATL	76:17	+0.5	+8.0	-.036	+1.4	-0.9	+.054	-.034	-4.2	-5.4	-.019	-1.8	+1.4	-0.4	-7.3	-0.4	-2.8	-6.1	-4.1	-1.3	-0.1	-1.7	+0.6
10	B. Bogdanović | J. Collins | D. Murray | T. Young	ATL	85:08	-9.0	-13.7	-.023	-5.0	-5.7	-.096	-.041	+4.8	+5.9	+.003	-18.2	-6.6	-14.6	-5.9	-14.6	-6.3	-14.3	-4.5	-1.1	0.0	-0.1

 

Collins best units are with Capela on the floor. 

[Diesel]

3 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

But the guy has been trying lately.  Really trying.  So he won't get any major criticism from me if he's making more hustle plays on defense and at least jumping out at shooters.

I think in the maturation of Trae, he recognizes that his defensive effort can hold him back from receiving the accolades that he is due.

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

2 hours ago, kg01 said:

See how well and thoughtful that was explained.

Light-years more insightful than the usual 'Trae don't play no defence' and 'Collins is trash' stuff. 

 

What would people like to see Trae do on that play?

His man was Huerter, and Dre had Barnes.  So what should be the action that both Trae and Hunter do?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

This is a narrative.. the question is ....is it true?

 

Net (Per 100 Poss)
Rk	Lineup	Tm	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	PTS ▼	ORB	ORB%	DRB	DRB%	TRB	TRB%	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF
1	C. Capela | J. Collins | D. Hunter | T. Young	ATL	352:46	+5.3	+4.0	+.037	-0.9	-4.1	+.015	+.030	+0.2	-0.9	+.045	+10.0	+1.3	+3.4	+2.6	+3.4	+2.0	+4.2	+3.8	+0.2	+0.4	-2.4	-2.1
2	C. Capela | J. Collins | D. Hunter | D. Murray	ATL	352:40	+4.9	+3.7	+.034	-0.9	-4.3	+.015	+.027	+0.9	0.0	+.045	+9.7	+1.5	+3.9	+2.9	+3.9	+2.4	+5.0	+3.2	+0.2	+0.1	-1.8	-2.7
3	C. Capela | J. Collins | D. Murray | T. Young	ATL	380:34	+4.9	+3.8	+.033	-0.2	-1.4	+.010	+.029	+0.1	-0.6	+.030	+9.6	+1.2	+3.3	+2.5	+3.3	+1.9	+4.2	+3.3	+0.6	+1.5	-2.0	-2.1
4	J. Collins | D. Hunter | D. Murray | T. Young	ATL	539:08	+3.4	+2.1	+.027	-0.8	-1.5	-.011	+.021	0.0	-1.3	+.049	+6.1	-1.3	-2.1	0.0	-2.1	-0.7	-1.5	+0.4	-0.5	+0.5	-2.3	-1.9
5	J. Collins | D. Murray | O. Okongwu | T. Young	ATL	216:31	+1.4	+0.6	+.013	+0.2	-2.3	+.035	+.014	-2.1	-4.8	+.079	+0.9	-2.8	-6.3	-2.5	-6.3	-2.6	-6.1	-5.4	-2.0	-0.2	-0.8	-0.5
6	J. Collins | D. Hunter | O. Okongwu | T. Young	ATL	183:23	+1.7	+0.1	+.019	-0.7	-2.5	+.006	+.015	-2.6	-4.4	+.048	+0.2	-2.7	-5.4	-0.6	-5.4	-1.5	-3.7	-6.9	-2.1	+0.5	+0.2	-0.9
7	J. Collins | D. Hunter | D. Murray | O. Okongwu	ATL	211:14	+1.0	+2.8	-.004	-2.3	-4.9	-.026	-.019	0.0	-2.4	+.088	-0.3	-1.2	-3.3	-2.4	-3.3	-1.9	-4.3	-6.4	-0.4	+0.5	-2.1	-0.6
8	J. Collins | A. Holiday | D. Murray | O. Okongwu	ATL	79:58	-1.0	+11.4	-.067	-1.7	-3.5	-.022	-.083	+2.5	+1.9	+.052	-1.2	+2.5	+1.2	-8.0	+1.2	-2.7	-5.7	-2.9	+4.8	-1.2	-8.3	-1.5
9	J. Collins | A. Griffin | D. Murray | O. Okongwu	ATL	76:17	+0.5	+8.0	-.036	+1.4	-0.9	+.054	-.034	-4.2	-5.4	-.019	-1.8	+1.4	-0.4	-7.3	-0.4	-2.8	-6.1	-4.1	-1.3	-0.1	-1.7	+0.6
10	B. Bogdanović | J. Collins | D. Murray | T. Young	ATL	85:08	-9.0	-13.7	-.023	-5.0	-5.7	-.096	-.041	+4.8	+5.9	+.003	-18.2	-6.6	-14.6	-5.9	-14.6	-6.3	-14.3	-4.5	-1.1	0.0	-0.1

 

Collins best units are with Capela on the floor. 

 

But Collins isn't contributing offensively in those lineups.  Defensively, he and Capela have been stellar together.

Somehow, Nate needs to unlock Collins' offense either while Capela is on the floor, or play Collins more with the 2nd unit and go to him then.