Welcome to Atlanta, Dyson Daniels

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[Afro]

Now get your ass in the gym lol

[kg01]

Better than Dyson Denials, I guess.

[NBASupes]

Work with Kyle right now. Gotta make open 3s

[JTB]

Glad we got him.

Good young defender with length.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[GameTime]

If he can become at least a 35% 3pt shooter he will be good for us. Don't like the trade but he is not.a bad player. 

[Dejay]

He has to get better from the outside, plain and simple. That's always been major sticking point with me, as I grew up admiring gunners like Kiki Vandeweghe and later the Mitch Richmond/Dell Curry/Drazen Petrovic (RIP)/Glen Rice/Dale Ellis style guys who had opposing coaches put players on the bench for not guarding them tight enough out there. Hell, I attended Tennessee when Allan Houston was carrying scrubs before they became relevant again, so yes, I'm well-accustomed to only viewing swingmen in only one light.

In other words, I absolutely, positively loathe wing players who cannot pull and fire true no matter how athletic they are, unless they developed their games like Nique did. While folks here loved guys like Stacey Augmon, I rolled my eyes watching him play hot potato with the ball when he was more than four feet from the basket...

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[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[JTB]

 

[NBASupes]

 

[NBASupes]

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4t. Dyson Daniels – Combo Guard – I love this kid more than some others. Some will say his ceiling isn’t that high but I disagree to a degree. High Floor, High Ceiling. He doesn’t have traditional all-star potential, but he has championship potential with his style of play. I compare him to a bigger Derrick White. Good playmaker. High BBIQ but feel for the game is still improving. Can play on and off the ball. Excellent decision-maker. Elite rebounder. Always locked in. Impacts the game. All around the stat sheet and all good on the tape. This kid does so much more than a traditional role may ask for. He might not be an all-star but he’s someone like Mikal Bridges that I think is a STUD! He doesn’t have Bridges floor but I would say he has White’s floor, just needs to shoot better but the potential is there for him to be a good shooter. Comp: Bigger Derrick White.

2022 NBA Draft review - Dyson Daniels

Both Risacher and Daniels are guys I really loved in the draft and I felt they would be tremendous with Trae. 

[Hawkish]

13 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

2022 NBA Draft review - Dyson Daniels

Both Risacher and Daniels are guys I really loved in the draft and I felt they would be tremendous with Trae. 

I think we agree here, Supes.  Daniels was the (or one of) guy I wanted in his draft (Mathurin was another).  His shot doesn’t look bad, but results are results.  I hope our program can help him find his rhythm and feel. 

[NBASupes]

10 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

I think we agree here, Supes.  Daniels was the (or one of) guy I wanted in his draft (Mathurin was another).  His shot doesn’t look bad, but results are results.  I hope our program can help him find his rhythm and feel. 

He will get a lot of open looks. 

[AHF]

Despite my feeling on the overall trade. I do welcome Daniels to the team.  I wanted a strong POA wing last year and we had the cash to add someone like Matisse Thybulle who is right next to Dyson on these lists and we would have been better with him.  Dyson will absolutely give us a new look off the bench and should be a valuable role player in the vein of MT, Andre Roberson, and Atlanta’s own Thabo.  There is very real value in having that kind of player on the roster. 

If any of those players learned to be good scorers they had a ton more upside so him coming to work with our developmental staff at least offers a path to a bigger role for the future.  Looking at his shooting a couple things stand out to me:

1 - He was useful on corner 3’s taking 1/3 of his attempts from there and making just over 40% of them.

2 - He was woeful on non-corner 3’s.  When you remove that 40% from his total 3pt attempts, he is well under 30% on the remaining 2/3 of his volume.

3 - He has no midrange game at all.  He took less than 10% of shots from 10 feet or out that weren’t 3’s and wasn’t very good on them.  He took 0.6% of attempts from 16-23 feet out.  It is a shot diet that is extremely Thabo like which speaks to his degree of offensive limitation.  

4 - His ft% is bad but so is his free throw rate.  He gets to the line just a bit more often on a per minute basis than Kevin Huerter did and any comparison to Huerter is not a good one if you remember my feelings about Huerter and free throws.  Huerter avoided contact because he was afraid of getting hit (and this was the case before he got hit).  I don’t know for Daniels but I hope he doesn’t avoid contact for fear of being sent to the line.  That can be a very negative mentality.  If that is the case, I hope our staff helps him through that.  At a 64.5% conversion rate, free throws are still the most efficient means of scoring outside of dunks and layups for him.  The more the better and hopefully the % will improve with time and work.

I think the reasonable expectation for Dyson is going to be an important rotation piece off the bench that significantly improves our defense.  Whether he can make the leap some are projecting will take more than just improving his 3, though.  If you recall, Thabo shot roughly 40% from 3 for two seasons under Quin Snyder in Utah but averaged 6 ppg over those two seasons.  So for Dyson to make a big leap he needs improved shooting to accompany a big jump in scoring volume as well.

Either way, I loved Thabo in Atlanta and thought he was a key cog on our 60 win team.  That is where I’m setting my expectations for Dyson and if he exceeds that then I’ll be even more excited.

Welcome to Atlanta, Mr. Daniels!

[benhillboy]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Despite my feeling on the overall trade. I do welcome Daniels to the team.  I wanted a strong POA wing last year and we had the cash to add someone like Matisse Thybulle who is right next to Dyson on these lists and we would have been better with him.  Dyson will absolutely give us a new look off the bench and should be a valuable role player in the vein of MT, Andre Roberson, and Atlanta’s own Thabo.  There is very real value in having that kind of player on the roster. 

If any of those players learned to be good scorers they had a ton more upside so him coming to work with our developmental staff at least offers a path to a bigger role for the future.  Looking at his shooting a couple things stand out to me:

1 - He was useful on corner 3’s taking 1/3 of his attempts from there and making just over 40% of them.

2 - He was woeful on non-corner 3’s.  When you remove that 40% from his total 3pt attempts, he is well under 30% on the remaining 2/3 of his volume.

3 - He has no midrange game at all.  He took less than 10% of shots from 10 feet or out that weren’t 3’s and wasn’t very good on them.  He took 0.6% of attempts from 16-23 feet out.  It is a shot diet that is extremely Thabo like which speaks to his degree of offensive limitation.  

4 - His ft% is bad but so is his free throw rate.  He gets to the line just a bit more often on a per minute basis than Kevin Huerter did and any comparison to Huerter is not a good one if you remember my feelings about Huerter and free throws.  Huerter avoided contact because he was afraid of getting hit (and this was the case before he got hit).  I don’t know for Daniels but I hope he doesn’t avoid contact for fear of being sent to the line.  That can be a very negative mentality.  If that is the case, I hope our staff helps him through that.  At a 64.5% conversion rate, free throws are still the most efficient means of scoring outside of dunks and layups for him.  The more the better and hopefully the % will improve with time and work.

I think the reasonable expectation for Dyson is going to be an important rotation piece off the bench that significantly improves our defense.  Whether he can make the leap some are projecting will take more than just improving his 3, though.  If you recall, Thabo shot roughly 40% from 3 for two seasons under Quin Snyder in Utah but averaged 6 ppg over those two seasons.  So for Dyson to make a big leap he needs improved shooting to accompany a big jump in scoring volume as well.

Either way, I loved Thabo in Atlanta and thought he was a key cog on our 60 win team.  That is where I’m setting my expectations for Dyson and if he exceeds that then I’ll be even more excited.

Welcome to Atlanta, Mr. Daniels!

Great post.  Took some of the points I was gonna make so I won’t repeat them.

26% of his shots are taken within 3 feet at .635.  I can rock with that.  DJ took 16% as a Hawk with his no contact liking ass.

A +4.3 on court per 100 last season usually signals a great reserve.  His -.5 on/off net wasn’t in the same league as their other three positive defensive box perimeter players though (Herb, Marshall, Alvarado). Daniels’ 2.5 defensive box (highest of their rotation players) is elite no question.  Those are the type of players who communicate well and can shut down weak side actions and cross court passing lanes in addition to quality possession-to-possession on ball prowess.

His impact obviously takes a hit looking at his field goals assisted.  Over half his twos for his career and every single three from last season was a helper.  No one should expect any creation whatsoever.

Granted he isn’t drawing a lot of the defenses attention but his assist to turnover looks good at 2.5:1, positional versatility is awesome with BBRef listing over half his minutes at the 2 but toggling significantly at 1 & 3.

I don’t believe in Quinn as a developer as a HC. Maybe he took some of the developmental shine that should’ve gone to Jenkins under Bud?  I don’t think Quinn could get Aldamas and Tillmans to rotation level.  He couldn’t improve the collective IQs of Trae and DJ.  I didn’t give a damn about Mitchell in Utah, became a fan this season because his playmaking and defense all took leaps under Bickerstaff.  I wanted Bogdanovic long before he got to Utah and he left the same player.  Ingles was/is a natural shooter/ passer, Royce O’Neal is a feel player, Gobert never learned to shoot, Conley was largely the same player he was with the Grizzlies outside of increased three point rate.  I could see Jalen’s natural incline coming, AJ fell off a cliff, and Bogi’s improvement had as much to do with international play as much as anything the Hawks staff did.

Daniels should be a solid rotation piece that improves the defense as much as he hurts the offense.  We’ve seen this movie before.

Edited June 29, 2024 by benhillboy

[dalamchops]

i don't think the FT% is that big of a concern... he's probably closer to 74% like he did for the ignite. % is easily skewed when you avg less than 1 attempt a game...

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[h4wkfan]

Sample size and volume aside - food for thought. 

Dyson 3PA / % last season:

Nov-dec: 2.5 / 28.8%

jan-apr: 1.9 / 37.0%
 

there’s definitely upside there. He’s not a volume shooter, but if he can continue that pace on low to average volume … great player + fit. 
 

My biggest concern is health which scares me.  He’s played 59 & 61 games so far. I guess par for the course with the hawks.  

[mountainjim]

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Dyson Daniels is an All-Defensive caliber player at just 21 years old.

was going to post the full text but what appeared was a big blob requiring too much work to reformat for readability, so I said F it.

Edited June 29, 2024 by mountainjim