drzachary

I will do whatever it takes.

5 hours ago, AtLaS said:

 

1000%.  People always hang in CNN for the cheaper beers prior to the game.  We definitely won't be doing that anymore.

I lost track of how many times I had several of the white cup beers from Gorins/TJ's Subs and missed at least half the game (more than once, the entire game.)

Schlenk is BK?  Hmm.

If we are going to forever compare taking Doncic at 3 and trading him to taking Gasol at 3 and trading him, let's remember that BK was the GM trading *for* Gasol.

And seeing as I've now said something positive about BK, I need to go take a shower.

Might need to reboot the Dieselputer.

38 minutes ago, AHF said:

Maybe that was the best deal we could have gotten for Dwight - more future money and a worse draft pick.

Maybe that was the best deal we could have cut with Bud - give him every penny under contract and give him total freedom to interview and sign elsewhere prior to the draft even though he couldn't coach anywhere unless we released him.

Maybe that was the best trade we could have made with Dallas even though the 10th pick got more and the Celtics got more more attractive picks in two different deals (Brk & Phi) and Kyrie Irving was drafted on an unprotected pick with a salary dump and Damon Lillard was drafted on an unprotected pick acquired in exchange for the walking corpse of Gerald Wallace....but for us maybe this was the best we could get.  And in fairness it might have been.

But we can't evaluate anything here by that standard.  From where I sit, I see a pattern of weak negotiating.

You are right.  You really did put it in perspective!  You make great points, and I concede that I was putting too much faith in an illusory "best deal" and not enough weighing the less than stellar crap he's already done.

I was wrong there!

But not too high when trading for the 10th pick.  (In a better upcoming draft class).

Depends on how you evaluate the players that also changed hands. They traded a 16th (?) and a future unprotected for a 10, vs a 5 and a future protected for a 3. *shrug*

For all we know (and I wanted Luka!) this was the best deal we could get. Better to evaluate our GM on the return from the deal we got rather than evaluate a fantasy deal that may not have ever been possible.

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The absolute best thing about this table is that Jamal Crawford’s new nickname is “Dead Money.” (I could be mistaken, though, I’ve yet to be always right about anything.)

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Pure speculation.  How do you know that Dallas would've still done the deal?

It’s certainly a possibility that Dallas wasn’t as high on Luka as some think. (Clearly, two teams before us also didn’t see him as the best prospect of all time.) Some prices are just too high.

Our so-called head coach has not won a single game as leader of the Hawks. Pierce needs to go.

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10 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Fans especially Hawk fan are such extremist.  Either they want to win championships or win 1 game. 

I'm on record as hoping that don't even win ONE game.  Zero wins (and a good shot at the #1 pick).  Make history, Hawklets!

Who is having a pity party?  Me staying the truth about this process does not constitute a pity party.  

What’s “staying the truth” mean in this case? I’d normally assume you meant “stating,” but I have learned that you are without error.

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1 hour ago, KB21 said:

I've yet to be wrong about anything.

It's a good thing I've become more active on this site recently, then, because I'm wrong frequently.

We'll balance each other out nicely!

3 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

The deals were there to be made with Memphis and Orlando.

Oh, were they now?

Speaking so surely about this stuff is why this whole thread is just a silly, fantastical exercise.

I just don't think we can use Red Mamba since Matt Bonner already used it up.

The ideal situation is to start Young and Dennis every game, and just let them get abused on D.  Get Dennis's scoring numbers way up and finish 0-82 for that sweet, sweet #1 pick.

4 minutes ago, Carmine said:

Semantics, you know what I meant. Do you feel what we got for giving up Luka was a good RETURN?

Definitely!  I mean, we don't know who the 2019 pick will be used on, so it has the potential to be a very, very good trade.  Young could end up being better than Luka.  This could be us taking CP3 instead of Marvin this time. 

More likely: the Hawks never really seem to know something that other teams don't, so Luka will probably be a lot better than Young.  That said ....

It's hard to compare two things when one's a total unknown.  If the Hawks end up getting the 6th pick in 2019 or an even better one in 2021, it will have been an absolute heist.  But we're all guessing, to be honest.  

I was going to change my Avi to Luka but after seeing what transpired I think i'll keep it until the cueball is fired. I love Trae even though i wanted Luka. My issue is what we got for Luka. After all the buzz, hype, and multiple teams fighting to move up, the best we can get is a top 5 protected pick. A few words to describe my reaction would be shocked, appalled, disgusted. I can't help but think what would happen if Ainge were in the same position. We should've metaphorically speaking had another team bite the pillow for Luka. I'm not a fan of the direction but I still give the draft a B because there is a clear vision that aligns with their actions. Not a fan of this guy at all.

We didn’t get a pick for Luka, though: we got a pick for the difference between Luka and Young.

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I'm just wondering when the award presentation for  "MVP of the best GM of the year" is taking place.  After all, Schlenk pulled off these moves so stealthily that they haven't even been reported in the press yet!  Amazing stuff.

Y'all are forgetting about the obvious bump Luka would have received from Sir Foster playing "Lucas with the Lid Off" every time he made a jumper.  Kid could have been a star here.

Unless the carceral state makes a move for him in the meantime.

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This man is literally about to win the MVP of best GM of the year. 

He is working a deal with Chicago for the #7 pick. The deal is built around 19/30 and Dennis and Dedmon for bad contracts and #7. 

The great offer has leaked. They want 5 or 6, unprotected 1st, and them to take Plumlee contract. This was not about Trae Young as much as it's about value. Neither team can afford the deal. Both offered 2019 unprotected 1st. Neither can take Plumlee. Magic would have to renounce Aaron Gordon and be in a terrible cap situation and Dallas would have limited cap room and no assets. Both teams have resigned on the idea of moving up for Doncic. Dallas looking at Porter Jr and Orlando looking at Shai who could be part of a much bigger trade with Toronto which will be a blockbuster trade. 

 

Then there is the Hawks board. Bamba is actually the BPA and he is the one across the board as the best player since the workouts and interviews completed. Memphis wants to get rid of Parsons contract and they want to stay in the top 8 of the lottery. While this hasn't been offered or nothing. Just saying. There is a chance Atlanta can keep Prince, Baze, Collins, get Doncic and Bamba. Insane.

I asked about the ownership story, he said he has heard nothing that sounds like Atlanta isn't seeing eye to eye. He said, the Kings had some issues but that was resolved nearly a week ago. Kings want the 5th pick. Dallas is not interested in trading a Brooklyn like deal to SAC. 

I asked about Cleveland, he laughed and said what you just said is a fairy tale. Cleveland wants Sexton or Carter Jr. They aren't trying to move down or up.

Asked about the Knicks, he said they got about 6 deals if those 6 deals don't work out. They like a lot of players in this class and are trying to move down if they can't move up. 

We only had a short time to talk. He did mention that Dallas is the wildcard. He also mention that Trae Young will slide and JJJ might as well but Charlotte will take him at 11. Lol, at him and Marvin 

Hey so I’m not sure this ended up being 100% accurate

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Yeah, doesn't he own the usage rate record by a huge margin?