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1 hour ago, Jody23 said:

When I say scheme, I'm refering to style of play, not the teams ability to get talent.  I agree about the team facing difficulty in acquiring the kind of talent to win a title.

That's the same way that I was referring to it. 

1 hour ago, Jody23 said:

I think style of heavy ball movement, high assists will definitely work.  It does for GSW and SAS.  Bud will have to get the talent though and we will have to see if he can.

Yes, it works for them but for what we have as a roster I dont seeing it being as effective as it was last year. How do you come across talent like GSW does and how would you really get it? The Spurs also have 3 future HoFers and Kawhi. How do you get those? We're not really in position (even with our "flexible cap") to acquire that kind of talent and don't know if we will be in the near future. Not to mention that SA doesn't take near as many 3s. 

That's why I'm saying with the current scheme, outside of last season, I don't know if it can get us a 'ship. 

2 hours ago, Jody23 said:

It's very easy to overthink things as a fan.  But it's quite simple.  In the end, do the Hawks have the talent to win a championship?  I think the organizational leadership, scheme and coaching is there.  But the Hawks simply don't have the talent yet.

Which sadly kind of makes it same hawks, different season. 

Also, I don't know if the leadership is there. The coaching is potentially there but I don't think that the current scheme is. 

17 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Amateurs.  Right, guys?

 

I was led to believe that if I made an ironic post that there would be grilled cheese sandwiches.

42 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

They just traded for Ish.   I doubt they are interested in another PG right now.  

Plus there's this:

 

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/come-on-gob-arrested-development.gif

I want their first (unlikely, yes I know). I'd part with both Horf and Teague for it (which isn't exactly even), they'd get upgrades now and we'd get a potential upgrade for the future without the dreaded tank.

6 hours ago, Jody23 said:

If they're fine with just being competitive, then this group is fine.  But, they should just say that and don't feed the fans hopes of winning the ultimate prize.

Outside of last season, that's not too much different than the JJ era. 

Is it just me or do we seem to keep getting the most stubborn coaches possible? 

4 hours ago, bumpyphish1 said:

Nobody is saying that Al is a number one on a championship team, bro.  We're either gonna have to add another star or do it the Pistons way.  You could argue the Spurs way (obviously that's not a stretch).

Newsflash:  Millsap and Durant aint winning a championship, either.  We can sign Horford and still bring in another max player, I believe, regardless.

While the Pistons didn't have a star, they still had pieces we don't have. 

As for the Spurs way, I'm tired of this being repeatedly thrown out in relation to the Hawks. We aren't really anything like that team other than the ball movement. The Spurs have so many ways to hurt you. Sure, Timmy D isn't dropping 20 any more but he still does what he needs to. Rebounds, defense, score when needed, etc with consistentcy. Also, he's a future first ballot HOFer. Plus Pop isn't as in love with 3s as Bud is. He doesn't want good shots. He wants great ones. 

We're really more like a worse shooting, non-consistent and less talented version of the Warriors. 

Al would be great on a team that already has a strong first and second option. Unfortunately the Hawks, as of now (and for a good while), have neither. 

No one says he ISN'T valuable. It's just that his value ISN'T worth the max. You give game changers the max. Players that can be relied on when the game plan fails and can put the team on their backs. 

Al Horford, and I do like the guy, is not that player. Al is a decent piece of the puzzle but he isn't THE piece. 

8 hours ago, bumpyphish1 said:

I would imagine Al's contract to be very similar to Millsap's.  If he likes being here (and all indications are he does), I don't see him getting much more than 'Sap,  But if it takes a max contract, so be it.  Cannot afford to let him walk.

Why can't we? 

Maybe he told Bud that Al should take less 3s and drive into the paint more often? 

Bud's methods shan't be questioned! 

Lol

4 hours ago, Atlantaholic said:

And if we didn't sign Joe what would we have done with that capspace? Our options would have been Derron Williams, Amare Stoudamire, or David West.

Should we have let him walk and become an eighth seed? And draft at the 15-16th spot in the draft. Should we have traded everyone else and tanked a la 76ers. What were our wonderful alternatives to overpaying Joe Johnson???

If we don't get Durant in FAs, the next best player is Horford... and if it takes overpaying him to stay here then we should do it. If it doesn't work out we can always trade the guy. Even if dude takes a few steps back he will still have PLENTY of trade value. We are talking about a league where middle of the pack teams are throwing around 16 million at mediocre SFs left and right. You don't think it'll be fathomable to trade a perennial All Star center???

Well with that, it looks like Al will be resigned. Since he's the next best player. But man, that's a huge gap between #1 and #2. It's like KD is the globetrotters and Al is the generals. 

38 minutes ago, bumpyphish1 said:

They need to go hard after KCP after this year.  I remember when only a year ago people laughed at me when I suggested we deal for him.  Numbskulls.  KCP = PERFECT FIT.  3 AND D, UNSELFISH.  He's Kawhi-lite.  And, rumor is, he doesn't wanna be in Detroit.  Likes home.  Hmmmm....where is that?  Retain Horf for 5 more years, sign and trade for KCP using Teague and whatever else in the offseason.  That's my wet dream.

If they could manage to keep Horford, add KCP, and add one more legit big (Splitter ain't it), we would truly be a championship caliber team, imo.  Like, soon.

 

38 minutes ago, bumpyphish1 said:

 

Isn't KCP an SG though? We'd still need an SF. 

4 hours ago, hazer said:

Leonard, M Gasol, KD, George. Hawks are 1 player like that away from the Finals...

The sad thing is that we've been 1 player away for about a decade now. :(

51 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I'm sorry?  Curry, Durant and what now?

I'm sorry... My sarcasm button is broken. Swaggy P was meant for that part. 

But seriously, wouldn't he just love another inefficient chucker next to THJr? Another 1st would get it done I bet. *sarcasm*

Ah! There it is. 

Curry. Durant. Swaggy P. Bud would love those guys. 

3 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Yeah right

So you finally agree that Horf isn't the best player on this team? :P 

So.. Horford is loved again is it? This off and on things is driving me nuts. 

Horford still isn't worth equal to Millsap's paycheck unless he plays like he did tonight on a consistent basis. 

4 hours ago, kg01 said:

lol. A little overrated here?  NBASupes has said in the past that Horford is as good or better than Karl Malone or STTE.  He really needs help.  

Friends, send your monetary donations to www.kg01'shouse.org.

on a serious note, you make a good point w.r.t. al's limited offensive game and i think it's part of our issue this season.  In the pnp/pnr game, Al will no longer roll.  It's all pop which kills Teague/Dennis getting to the rim.

Website not found. I'm starting to think that this charity is fake. This better not be the "African royalty" scam all over again. -_- 

But seriously, Al can't be one of the best bigs in the NBA if Sap is playing at a level that Al never has and that's no knock on Sap. 

18 minutes ago, Spud2Nique said:

Lol...why is it that every bs rumor out there have us getting fleeced? Why can't a fake rumor have us come out on top. Like we get Durant for Scott and Mack lol

That's right! We don't need anyone to fleece us when we can fleece ourselves! BudCox ftw lol

18 minutes ago, Spud2Nique said:

Lol...why is it that every bs rumor out there have us getting fleeced? Why can't a fake rumor have us come out on top. Like we get Durant for Scott and Mack lol

That's right! We don't need anyone to fleece us when we can fleece ourselves! BudCox ftw lol

Al isn't going to be traded. WLOC v2.0

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Hey, I'm just here to make y'all laugh.  Tell me that wasn't funny, Rondizzle.

No... 

This game is definitely a must win. If we lose, Bud definitely needs to change the gameplan.