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Again. I'm not saying we don't need him as in hes useless. I'm saying management will not be willing to fork over a max contract to a guy who has put up less than the 20&10 he usually does. It's just that simple. There will be teams out there throwing the max at him. That's going to happen. A desperate team will give him that contract and we will be either forced to match or let him walk for nothing. And management cannot let him walk for nothing. They need something in return. Therefore if the right trade comes up during the season then maybe make that move. I feel like people in here think he's gonna accept 20m a year. No chance. He just turned down 4yr/90. He's going to have a tough time getting that same production from seasons before but still wanting the max contract. Because this team is deep. Everyone is an option on the floor now. Collins isn't even really the #2 option anymore. I'm not literally saying we don't need him cause he is very good. But we need defence before anything. We're 3-0 against sorry teams. We will see how we do against Brooklyn. 

I did say John is a very good player offensively. But I read somewhere Collins turned down 4 years at 90m. Which means whether the Hawks like it or not hes still going to want the max or close to it. Even though his production will take a dip most likely. I just think if the right trade comes along Collins becomes tradeable and we can move Hunter over to the 4 who is just a better defender. And Capela would be the Pick and Roll player anyways. Now I don't know who John could be traded for but I feel like it's going to happen at some point if he really doesn't start putting up his usual stats or even better. Or if he doesn't drastically improve on defence. 

The more I watch this team the more I see we may not need Collins anymore. I mean he is a very good player offensively but still quite lost on defense. And he isn't going to be that 20&10 player on this team at least because we just have a lot of depth on this team. I really think Hunter could play the 4 permanently with Capela at 5. I think Collins will want the max money regardless of how he performs cause some team out there will give him the max. I know it's early in the season but just an observation. I could warm up to a Collins trade if it's for the right players in return. 

From What I'm reading the Hawks are already locked into the 5th seed? 

Three-Team Tiebreaker:
1. Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division)
2. Best head-to-head winning percentage among all teams tied
3. Highest winning percentage within division (if teams are in the same division)
4. Highest winning percentage in conference games
5. Highest winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
6. Highest point differential between points scored and points allowed

Milwaukee and Atlanta wont win the division.....Bucks and Hawks are both 4-3 amongst the 3 teams tied.......#3 doesn't apply as teams aren't in the same division.....Hawks are 29-21 in the conference....Bucks are 27-24.....therefore the Hawks have clinched the 5 seed and can do no worse?

So Im a bit confused on playoff seeding....

Say the Hawks, Pacers and Bucks all finish with a 42-40 record (Which isn't likely but possible)....The Hawks have the Tie Breaker over Milwaukee.....the Pacers have the Tie Breaker over the Hawks....Then Milwaukee has the Tie Breaker over the Pacers.

Which team finishes 5th,6th,7th?

Management clearly should have traded Paul before free agency. Then offered Horford the max. Then signed Dwight. Because if we offer Horford the max then sign Dwight. Horford has no choice but to suck it up and play along D12.

OR

Kept Paul.....Offer Horford The Max Immediately on July 1. Then Try to go after Noah. And then Al would have been super ecstatic. 

Dwight better impress within the first half of this upcoming season or I think we should start over from scratch and just get rid of Paul and Dwight and really hit the reset button. 

The only good I see coming out of this whole off season. Is if Dwight really returns to a former shade of his old Orlando days. Paul is going to have a career year because it's a contract year for him.....just watch....Bazemore will have to improve and Dennis will have to act as if he's been in the League for like 8 years already.....that's asking a lot...also Splitter has to go.

Houston needs a PG do you not see that already? They have 0 PGs that can do anything. We would also throw in some picks and Houston would be all over it for sure. They'd probably just want to give us TY Lawson for free. Thats how bad they feel about their PG position. Teague would be a massive upgrade for them and they still have Cappella.

Jeff Teague/Splitter/Korver For Howard and Beverly.

Dennis Can Start and Beverly can be the solid defensive minded backup PG. Who's been to the West Finals Before. Plus Kyle is old and struggling and Splitter is useless.

Then. I trade Horford and Mike Scott or Mack Plus some other incentives to Either Denver for Faried and some players back. Or to the Clippers for Blake and a pick or something.

Then we'd have a lineup of :

Dennis/Beverly

Bazemore/Thabo/Hardaway

Millsap/Thabo/Hardaway

Millsap/Faired Or Blake

Howard/Tavares.

The only really weakness i see here is the SF spot with Paul not being as versatile possibly to play the 3. As he is getting older. Heck we could also trade him too and get a real SF to fill that spot. Then we would be pretty legit. 

 However all of these trade scenarios do work. And if ATL management is willing to put a winner together right now then these are the trades that would need to go down. 

We need to address rebounding first and foremost and anyone who thinks things will change with Al and Paul are sadly mistaken. We need to hand the keys over to Dennis now. He's young and has tons of time to grow now.

So is Horford staying at Center then? Can all you idiots answer that? Cause if he is. Then we are using the same line-up as last season minus Demarre. So therefore we get run over by Cleveland again. Millsap isn't a 4 just like Horford isn't a 5. Sorry dummies but this contract was stupid. Harris is a much better option and is way younger and would be cheaper and can play the 3 so we could run Horf at 4 and Splitter at 5. Millsap can't dribble all that well and cannot put it on the floor as well as Harris. So have fun being content with having the same team again. Maybe a bit worse.

Sorry but I'm taking

Teague

Korver

Harris

Horford

Splitter

Over

Teague

Korver

Insert 3 here

Millsap

Horford

Signing Paul Millsap to that massive contract. I'm sorry but we coulda got Tobias Harris at that price or even a bit cheaper. Plus he's younger. What a disaster signing. At least we let Demarre go. Smart move there. But still we shoulda made a move for Monroe and Harris. We'd then be super legit

Maybe Teague. Scott. Antić. A Draft Pick. Another piece.

To Detroit for Jennings and Monroe? Maybe Detroit bites? Reggie Jackson looks like the guy goin forward there in Detroit and Monroe clearly wants out.

Kevin Martin as a backup? Are you lost. The guy can go off every night for 20-30. Korver should back him up. Nice try though.

Kevin Martin

Rudy Gay

Demar Derozan

Not Khris Middleton. Too One dimensional

Wilson Chandler

Tobias Harris

So we part ways with both of them. That's fine. We still get our needs

Then we part ways with Millsap. So what the guy is gonna be 31 and not worth the money. I'd rather throw that money at Harris then 're sign millsap sorry but that's the smart move there. 're signing millsap would be very very stupid at this point

How is it not possible. Carroll can start at 2. Hes guarded 2s this season. Aka Demar Derozan. Even if we part with Millsap I wouldn't be mad as long as it means bringing a real Center to the Hawks. Carroll can definitely play 2 and Harris the 3. Harris isn't a 2 man. That's for sure. But Carroll could be.

PG - Teague. Dennis. Mack

SG - Carroll. Korver. Whoever. Thabo

SF - Tobias Harris. Carroll. Thabo

PF - Millsap. Horford.

C - Monroe. Tavares. Whoever

We would get much improved wing scoring. Much improved rebounding. Tons of flexibility at SG and SF as we could use multiple guys at both spots. Bring Millsap/Korver off the bench. Move Horford to PF. Tobias Harris is going to be a stud. Go on YouTube and watch his film. He can shoot. Drive. And finish in the lane. Hes young and hungry. And also burned us in December with that buzzer beater. We would be right back in the ECF if we can put a lineup like that together. Could you imagine our depth and our bench. It would be insane.

Pero. Gone. Mike Scott. Gone. Millsap. Gone. Brand. Gone.

Carroll. 50/50. Not tryna overpay for a non scoring threat wing. Let's be honest. Demarre works his butt off. But he doesn't put fear into opposing teams with his scoring.

Monroe. In. Tobias Harris. In.

Other possibilities. Gasol. Aldridge. Wes Matthews. Jeff Green.

Ya it was. He can go away now. Not worth the money considering his age. Good riddance

......No Kevin Love

.......No Kyrie for 2 games.

..........can't even get 1 win?

...........yea we need some big roster moves this off-season.

Millsap should not be 're signed. At 31 years of age he won't be worth it and would be foolish to waste money like that on a guy on the bad side of 30. Save that money for a True Center. If Demarre commands too much. Then save that money for a Wing who can score at a high clip and hit clutch shots. This core will get no further then we did this year. Until we address those needs. It's really that simple. A true scorer and good rebounder will get us much further then this group. I'm sorry but its a reality.

Ok. So let's start Bazemore at SG. Bring Kyle off bench. Let Millsap walk. Bring in a True Center. Move Al to PF. And we're going to win the East. Bazemore could be an absolute stud for us starting at SG. Kyle is no more then a 6 or 7th man.Also I dont hate Demarre But if he's too pricey I would rather throw 10-12 mil on a goto scoring wing who we can give the ball to and say here....get us a bucket. Millsap is gunna be 31 next year so it would be foolish to throw any big contract at him. Which he will demand. Mike Scott And Antić can also go away too.

PG - Teague. Schröder. Mack

SG - Bazemore. Korver. Whoever.

SF - Demarre Or Sign a sick SF. Sefolosha

PF - Horford

C - Monroe? DeAndre? Gasol? Aldridge? (Can split time with AL at C)

Possible Small Forwards we could get via trade or signing

Kevin Martin

Rudy Gay

Wilson Chandler

This is if we don't keep Carroll. If we do keep him then we could draft and develop a wing guy behind Sef And Demarre

Demarre is a system player. He wouldn't be like this anywhere else. He's not worth 12 mil. I'd rather get a scorer on the wing who can get us baskets and create for us. Sorry Demarre Is good but not 12 mil good

Lol Millsap is lazy and slow. He's gotta go this summer. Plain and simple