Hawkish

7 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Alexander the Great or,

”The Czar” like Sarr

 

 

Was Fratello an only child?

4 minutes ago, terrell said:

They should've just traded Clint last year for the #10 pick(LIvely).. smh

How do you know that was on the table?

26 minutes ago, kg01 said:

This smells like how Darko went to DET years ago. 

I am definitely afraid of the Darko.

10 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

He really has nothing in common with either player but ok. 

There was some sarcasm in there… I am fully on board with just waiting to see what Sarr carves out for himself.  Intrigued 

10 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

He really has nothing in common with either player but ok. 

There was some sarcasm in there… I am fully on board with just waiting to see what Sarr carves out for himself.  Intrigued 

16 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Sarr compares favorably to Chandler with measurables only. They are identical in that regards.

Outside of that his game today is very much in line with a KG or even Wemby. 

Shucks… Wemby or KG would be acceptable.  

Just now, NBASupes said:

Sarr and Chandler play nothing alike and early Chandler wasn't effective at all on either end in his first 3 seasons.

Hence “prime” … He was on a historically bad Chicago team lacking proper leadership.  I imagine Sarr’s maturity level is far superior to where Chandler was entering the league.  If Sarr can channel some JJJ/Bosh/Chet tools on the offensive side…

3 minutes ago, Mikey said:

 

Edey didn't come out ahead thoguh lol. Sarr was 15/25 and Edey was 14/25. So if you want to use open gym numbers someone won...

As far as indicators go Sarr beats him at literally everything. Especially off the dribble jumpers which I don't even think Edey has a sample size off lmao

Can Sarr reach prime Tyson Chandler level defense?  Tyson Chandler with more respectable offensive tools is what I envision for Sarr.  

10 minutes ago, deester11 said:

But here’s the thing. I’ve been a fan of this team for as long as I’ve been alive, which is a long time to be this damn unsuccessful. Just like the Falcons.  I wanted them to swing for the fences (Penix)  and not do what everyone thought they should do and that’s what they did. I have no idea if it pans out or not, but it feels good to finally be on the end of taking a chance on greatness.  A vision if you will. 

The Penix situation is nowhere near the Trae and Edey/Sarr comparison considering they play different positions and neither would be threatened by the other. I get what you’re saying about it, but how in good conscience can you pass on someone who has the potential to be an MVP candidate? I get what you saying about Edey I just don’t agree that he would ever be in a conversation over Sarr. I acknowledge your points too on Edey.  If we were at 10..8...sign me up.  All I'm saying is, at one, IF I WERE GM, I pick Sarr after they announce the draft has started and before the first commercial!

I agree re: Penix.  The Falcons are a great example how to avoid groupthink.  

6 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

In only if rebuilding.

Out if Trae stays. It could become disastrous. 

What people worry Penix Jr and Cousins becoming is actually what I worry about with Trae and Sarr. 

He has MVP potential so I can't be against it but Edey also has MVP potential and it's actually a perfect fit with Trae. That's why I am for Edey with Trae. What Trae is special at, so is Edey. They fit like Cinderella slippers.

I’m afraid one of Cinderella’s slippers may be lost.

1 minute ago, deester11 said:

Could have gone my whole life without seeing alien booty

So Will Smith has been practicing the slap for a while???

5 minutes ago, Dragitoff said:

I'm still not seeing how salaries match up with the potential deal for Giannis. 

 

Giannis $49m

Capela $22m
Jalen $4.5m
#1 pick $10m

TOTAL $36.5m

We'd need to add a little more salary to that wouldn't we? 

Maybe we would add Hunter and they would add Portis?  If Giannis were younger I may feel better about it, but I am apprehensive about this idea.

5 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Question for those in the know.  I thought it was a far fetched, dumb idea but is there any consideration of making a run at bringing Lebron here?  I was a never a big fan but Trae/Lebron/JJ would be something for a year or two.  

In a more joking sense, I actually wondered what that would look like. (And I a do not much care for LeBron)

12 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Seriously?  You want draft picks as high as possible.  You also want your team to be as good as possible.  So what's the best of both worlds?  The Celtics.  You trade established, older players for unprotected picks.  You still win with your good, young players. You hope the picks based on some other team's success/failure end up in the lottery. 

The point is the Celtics never tanked.  They benefited from other teams sucking and having their picks.  But they were able to stay good or some version of building toward good without ever tanking.  That's the point. 

In this case, you seem very caught up over getting our own picks back.  Hell, I'd take the 2025 Lakers pick over any future pick the SAS would offer.  That thing could legitimately get you a lottery ticket.    

This is my most default, natural strategy.  Trade good players before they lose value.  Have your producers backed up by future starters— a reloading program, rather than rebuild.  
 

I want the ‘25 LA pick.  Go get it — It will likely be better than the pick we gave the Spurs. 
 

Just now, Afro said:

Well its a good thing some good teams hold other teams picks lol

SA was playing Chess (and us Checkers) when they traded us DJ.

2 minutes ago, Afro said:

If your goal after trading Trae is to remain competitive, yes. 

But not just that pick. Any pick but our own. 

Trading for our picks, but remaining good, just means we are actively trying to make the package we got for Trae worse. To me, that doesnt make any sense. 

I was just making the point that we could add potential high picks while being competitive.  Not arguing — just adding additional avenues to consider.

6 minutes ago, Afro said:

But someone did....You think if the picks they traded for ended up in the bottom of the lottery they would be where they are right now? 

So we should trade for the unprotected 2025 LA pick that NO owns?

6 minutes ago, Mikey said:

You problem is you think all drafts and front offices are equal. 

If we believe our coaching staff is championship caliber and they support this significant retooling, I’m on board.  I just have more negative rebuilding memories than positive.  

My primary hesitation trading Trae is helping SA build a juggernaut.  Envy is a personal problem. 
 

Trae | Vassell | Sochan | Wemby is a really nasty core.  
 

Pumping the brakes on a rebuild for a moment.  
 

Can Trae | [DJ return] | JJ | Sarr rival the SGA | Williams | Giddy | Chet core?

7 hours ago, Sothron said:

The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar.

It is Giannis. 

I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. 

It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Giannis

OO

 

The longer  version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster:

The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a  good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time.

 

2nd Option:

We trade Murray and AJ  to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first

We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr.

Team would be:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Sarr/either Capela or OO

 

3rd option:

We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys.

Roster would be:

(this is my postulating at possible draft results)

Reed Sheppard

Bogi/Kobe

Hunter/#8 pick in this draft

Sarr/OO

We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team.

 

Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks.

If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft.

Can we truly get Ingram AND the 2025 LA pick for DJ without giving up OO?  I realize most do not like Option 2, but I kind of do like it.

12 minutes ago, Mikey said:

They drafted their best player in the second round. Good luck using that philosophy for team building

What about Murray?

8 minutes ago, Mikey said:

The same thing would happen with the hawks I don’t get how y’all do understand. They would be playing Quin ball with jalen and sarr at the forefront. Not watching Murray jack 25 shots a game and not be a high level playmaker while simultaneously take minutes from Kobe and any other guard and make them the 7th seed. There youngins will play and learn but lose that’s how it ALWAYS works 

You’re actually an idiot if you think this. The jokics of the world are anomaly’s. You need top picks 

Mikey — Do you think Quin would be on board with a youth-er movement?

Just now, KB21 said:

Warriors - Didn't tank.  They were bad for 100 years before they lucked into Steph Curry with the 8th pick.

Spurs - Didn't tank.  Star players were hurt, and they lost because of that.  They added Duncan to Robinson, Elliot...etc when they returned from injury.  

Are we really going to rehash an argument I've already won?

I agree that these are poor comparisons, especially SA.  They are the definition of lucky with Tim Duncan.  

4 hours ago, Sothron said:

The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar.

It is Giannis. 

I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. 

It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Giannis

OO

 

The longer  version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster:

The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a  good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time.

 

2nd Option:

We trade Murray and AJ  to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first

We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr.

Team would be:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Sarr/either Capela or OO

 

3rd option:

We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys.

Roster would be:

(this is my postulating at possible draft results)

Reed Sheppard

Bogi/Kobe

Hunter/#8 pick in this draft

Sarr/OO

We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team.

 

Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks.

If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft.

Which would Snyder prefer?  Do we believe he is a championship coach?  Would Snyder stick around for Option 3?  Is there an option for Trae to go somewhere other than SA?

Did you leave Gueye out of the first option on purpose? 

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

Can't forget this too.

Ouch