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3 hours ago, Blunt91 said:

Hey @Sothron, @NBASupes  is there a chance if we move down to #3 that we can get 1 of their young guy's?  The Hawks should ask for Cam Whitmore in this deal along with the 3rd pick.  We draft Risacher for the Nets, the Nets send Bridges & future pick to Houston. 

Cam Whitmore would go first in this draft. 

10 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

plus 4 unprotected FRP's. What does Houston think of that?

 

Basically that is how we feel about other offers for Trae.

Honest question, how familiar are you with Sengun?

How would you feel about Trae for Sengun and VanVleet?

Yall gonna slaughter us, so many injuries, don't even think we can field a team. 

You have been implying there was a premium to be paid because the contract was toxic in nature. KPJ is absolutely a toxic player, but the contract is just essentially just dead money for the year, not inherently toxic. There was no "assuming of the liability and negative publicity" for OKC that you cited. This just ended up being a small cap deal. 

I would agree it was toxic if it were long term, as you originally believed, but on an expiring deal, no, I don't think that is accurate. 

The assets given were just to bridge the gap between cap value of two aggregated contracts. (15.8m for KPJ vs 11.4m for VO/JER). Houston pays for trade exception, to save some cash, and preserve the trade filler they might need for future deals. This is essentially OKC just buying two mediocre seconds for 5m, which is about the going rate for 2nds. 

That would be like saying that Garuba and TyTy were toxic contracts when we traded them to Atlanta with 2nds. They weren't, it was just a cap deal. Or if we were to say Victor Olidipo's deal is toxic, which we got back in trade. I don't think you would find agreement in those characterizations. 

Anyway, its just semantics, doesn't really matter. 

Yea, as I noted, not really a toxic contract, was easy to swap for basically nothing. Ended up actually saving a decent amount of space this year.

Get a peak at Earl, a trade exception and replacement expiring contract for future trades in VO. 

I speculated they would dangle the Brooklyn first with to try and get back a solid rotation guy, but we are in the time of year where everyone loves their team, so harder to find trades. 

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Why did Houston sign Porter to that extension? Reading this article - just wow!

 

https://www.clutchfans.net/12732/kevin-porter-jr-rockets-front-office/

 

The extension was actually quite team friendly. Without the domestic violence, the contract itself would be an asset.

My guess is that they were taking a risk and offering the guy a carrot to try and get him right, because he does actually have talent. 

The domestic violence thing, of course, throws a wrench in all that. 

1 hour ago, AHF said:

That was never said.  What was said that a team trading for him would have to eat $16.8M this season and next.  This season hasn't even started yet so if a team trades for him this summer and cuts him they are still eating $16.8M this season and next ($15.8M this year and $1M next year).  You have to pay for someone to flush $16.8M down the drain either by giving up value or taking on their toxic contract so they save more than that in the future while giving up someone they didn't want to keep.

Here was the original post in our exchange:

Not a big deal if I wasn't clear enough or you misread it.  The bigger discussion is whether Houston could get back non-toxic value for him or not.  I didn't and still don't think that is possible.  I don't think anyone trades for him right now to have him play for them under his current contract.

I interpret your bolded as 16.8m for both years. 

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

I find it weird anyone would think this wasn't a situation where HOU would be eating his deal. 

The post was in response to the suggestion that there was 16m in salary that needed to be eaten NEXT year. 

On 9/15/2023 at 8:22 AM, AHF said:

So you think anyone wants him right now enough to give up valuable consideration for him?   I think that you may be overestimating the appetites of teams to take on that kind of risk.  The reason you need someone to eat him is to avoid the $16.8M this season and next.  If Houston doesn't value someone eating that, I think  your suggestion that they will just waive him makes sense. 

I think you are crazy if you think another team is going to assume that liability ($16.8M in pay and all the negative publicity that comes with assaulting a woman) and give up valuable players on top of that.  (Although perhaps what I would consider valuable is a higher standard than what you mean - I mean a player or players that the other team would want to keep and views as valuable contracts not players the other team view as toxic in terms of value and would want to dump.)  Porter has nice counting stats but sits at a career 4.0 Win Shares (total not average).  Granted that last season was clearly the best of his career but it isn't like he is a blossoming young stud ala Desmond Bane (who put up 7.2 and 5.8 Win Shares the last two seasons).  

Porter Jr. had already been suspended for personal conduct in college and suspended in the NBA for weapons charges.  Now this assault issue is on top of it.  He is raining red flags right now.  If Houston is considering cutting him, why would any other team be excited about paying valuable consideration to trade for him right now?

There is no 16.8m next season. 

Right now Houston's options are

1.) Waive him, and eat his 1m guaranteed next season. 

2.) Trade his expiring contract + asset for another impactful player to a team looking to clean up their books. The other team would simply waive him and he would never report. 

Again Houston doesn't need anyone to "eat" anything. 

16 hours ago, AHF said:

It depends on what they are sending out with KPJr whether they will get useful players back.  They have to pay someone to take Porter at this point.  He has a toxic or negative value.  So they have to pay someone to take him.  If they then want useful players back they also have to pay for that.  

We don't need anyone to eat him.

We can just waive him.

7 minutes ago, bird_dirt said:

Soooo…. Would anyone be willing to trade for KPJr and drop him immediately? Basically collect a couple draft picks in exchange for eating his $17 mil salary?

Rockets would be looking for useful players. 

Sounds like yall need a JeSean Tate to fit that SF hole. 

There is a world where OKC waives some of these players and they end up back in Houston. 

Did you guys follow the dropping dimes guy throughout free agency? Not sure if same guy, but he had some stuff. 

Boom you called it

We don't have many tradable contracts except KPJ. 

Unless it gets rolled into the existing Dillon Brooks 5 team mega sign and trade. lol

Is Houston getting Capella 

ahhh too much is happening, I can't process all of this.

KJM now traded. 

Okay, so things becoming more clear.

- FVV third year now a TO - huge win
- Speculation is now Tate, Mills and Christopher is whats going to Memphis to get Brooks his money via SnT
- Landale is likely Room Exception.

This means Rockets still have 20+ million cap space.