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Just left the arena... JC looked horrible

about to be pretty even on the season net rating. We been getting ugly wins and getting punked in losses. 

i was at the game.... we're probably the worst shooting team in the league but it felt like everything they threw up went in and everything we shot bricked.

i love giannis... drives me nuts that we were gonna take him instead of dennis if he had slipped another pick

5 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2022/11/09/0022200162/600/fc5ae3a1-5fe2-c198-d0bb-c1bb3c3d337c_1280x720.mp4

 

thanks, i was at the game so didn't know if bob/nique caught it live.

nate needs to stop running those lineups with 4 bench guys w/ DJM or Trae, no one on the second unit can consistently create for themselves. Let Hunter or Collins run as a #2 option for those minutes.

7 minutes ago, AHF said:

You can’t have too many quality wings and young guys are going to have their ups and downs. I wouldn’t consider trading any of them right now.*  Bogi and Hunter have a history of getting hurt.  Let’s build quality depth and if our problem is having a bunch of quality wings available off the bench that is pretty much the dream for coaches and GMs in this era.  No need to immediately flip quality depth, imo.
 

 

 

* (unless I’m getting a wing back so that TS/LF feel like it is a straight upgrade which you would do with any player at any point in time).

JJ also probably hasn't played more than like 30 games in a year in his whole life lol

he'll definitely get burned a lot on D this season from the lack of exp but he is a perfect fit in the 2nd unit when trae's off the floor while the rest of the lineup is solid on D

haliburton is such a stud... easily the best player in that class. so many teams whiffed on that one. And even the team that drafted him gave him away lol

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

First... your criteria for Generational superstar is NBA Finals appearance.

The BULLS went to 6 finals...  Had Jordan Never Left... Hakeem would probably have no rings... but that's beside the point.   6 finals...  therefore for 6 years, no other EC team could go to the finals.   Guys like Pat Ewing, Nique, Barkley (with the 76ers), Brad Daugtherty,   Reggie Miller, Alonzo Morning, Iverson. would never get a shot to be a generational superstar player because their teams were not good enough to beat the Bulls.   You remember the Bulls...  went 72 and Freaking 10 bulls...   How many teams do you think would beat them in an ECFs??  But you want to use a TEAM accomplishment to rate how good a player??

 

that's not my only criteria, but it's one that should be met imo, if winning is purely a team accomplishment then we wouldn't be talking about star players.

I don't even consider reggie/daugtherty, zo anywhere close to superstar status. you just turned this whole discussion into a joke.

Just now, Diesel said:

So, you can become a superstar by amassing enough talent on your team to overcome whatever superstar team is winning at the time?

I want you to think about this for a second. 

The Boston Celtics was dominant.  They won 11 out of 13 yrs  NBA Championships.   They had the only 8 peat.   No other team in their conference would have made it to the finals.   

The Chicago Bulls had two three peats.   They were dominant.   For 6 yrs, no other team in their conference would have made it to the finals.

Think about all the truly gifted players that never got a shot to go to the finals because they couldn't put together a team good enough to beat the Bulls.   That's what you hang your hat on in terms of a criteria?

I guess that's why Lebron goes out and makes up his own team through tampering...  He realized that he'd never make it to the finals if he didn't tamper. 

 

you're really twisting my words. I've already said those guys are all super stars, trae is a superstar, wtf are you talking about amassing enough talent to become a superstar?

the celtics team played in an era with 4 playoffs team, that's not comparable to the modern game that we are having a discussion over.

once again, i make a distinction between between generational superstar and generational talent. Tons of generational talent, but very few generational superstars with extended winning pedigree.

LBJ took a f***ing garbage team to the finals with larry hughes and drew gooden, what tampering?

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

We can do this all day... Iverson and Barkley and Karl Malone never won a chip..  are you saying that they are not generational talents?  Do you think that Bill Walton was better than Karl Malone?  Do you think that Paul Pierce was better than Allen Iverson?  My point is that the NBA finals win is a team accomplishment.   MVP is an individual accomplishment.   IF I'm rating a generational talent, surely MVP means more than NBA championship.   Iverson never had a team that was built to win a chip...Neither did Nique.   But Iverson not only impacted the game... "crossover" and small ball... but he impacted the culture.   How can he not be considered a generational talent?

 

 

I used Final as the criteria, not rings. Iverson, Barkley, Malone all made it out of the conference and played in the finals, jokic/embiid/luka have not. I've been careful about making a distinction between generational star, superstar, and generational talent. There are more generational talent than generational superstar. I think the latter needs significant amount of winning to earn that label. 

8 hours ago, Diesel said:

2 time MVP Jokic???  Surely, you jest??

Do you know how many guys have won 2?

 

 

out of 15, only 2 have never made it to the finals. Jokic is a superstar and i think generational talent, but generational star means something else to me. Hakeen has only 1 mvp, does that mean you'd rank jokic over the dream?

13 hours ago, Diesel said:

So by your definition, Giannis and Luka are not generational talents?

Ok..

hmm i didn't put them in order? if anything embiid, luka, jokic are the fringe ones for me, none of them have even been out of the conf finals yet

13 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

You forgot Trae, the best pure passer the league has seen since Magic, to me that’s generational.

that's pretty subjective, there's been plenty of great guards since the 80s.

On 10/25/2022 at 9:30 AM, Diesel said:

What is your standard for Generational star??

To anybody who says he's not...

he's gotta be clear cut top 5 in the league right now to even be in this discussion lol. He's fringe top 10 at best

(in no order)
kd, lbj, step, embiid, jokic, giannis, luka... the next ten are all pretty much interchangeable.

superstar yes, generational star no.

dre played a good game, only complaint was there were multiple times he had tiny gordon guarding him and settle for a mid range. Bully the dude and take it in the paint.

keldon johnson got 4/74, def don't think dre is worth 20 over him, outside of KPJ, dre probably had the least amount of production of all the players that got rookie scale extensions this offseason, it is definitely a huge gamble. With that said i do think he has a solid chance of making the contract a worthwhile investment

On 8/31/2022 at 5:19 PM, macdaddy said:

I know it will never happen but they need to remove the blackouts

that's what a VPN is for

Dre does not look smooth compared to melo, you can tell melo is so much more comfortable/confident in his moves. Granted he's probably done 20 thousand more reps than Dre.