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Holy f***, this guy...

vor 1 Minute, KB21 sagte:

I think this John Collins jumper is for real.  Damn!

That is the most exciting thing for me. That jump shot looks super fluid. Like, that looks like he could become a good(!) 3-point shooter and not only someone who shoots the occasional wide open corner 3. Which would be great because his (relatively) short arms and skinny frame limit what he will be doing inside in 1vs1- situations where he can't just jump over people.

Okay, Young hit an early three. Let's see if that helps him. He is looking overmatched so far against Ntilikina so far (not surprising).

no chat?

vor 1 Stunde, TheNorthCydeRises sagte:

As for that quote, I think he means that anyone that watches the entire NBA, or even follows college bball would know that LaVine was an elite athlete, and not just a solid one.

At least one person gets it. Kinda proving my point 8)

Zach "he was once considered a solid Athlete" Lavine . That right there sums up what most people here know about basketball.

vor 9 Stunden, Peoriabird sagte:

Just saying when you average 14/4.6/5 shooting 30.9% from 3 and you are the MVP of the league....That League can't be that strong of have that many MVP candidates

40 minute games vs. 48 minute games. Doncic played 25 minutes per game (which translates to 30 mpg in the NBA) and averaged 14.5/5.2/4.6. That right there is 21/7.5/6.6 per 36 minutes. Also, Assists in international Basketball are not given out as easily as in the NBA (direct shot after the pass or at most 1 dribble or it is not an assist) and the scoring load is much more balanced, especially in the top teams.

Source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/luka-doncic-1.html

He is also notorious for the number of end-of-quarter heaves (half-court shots etc.) he takes (27 over all his games this year). Adjusted to "normal" hots, he shot 35%, most of them (like Trae Young for example) difficult, 1-1on1- step backs and the likes. I mean, he had a TS% of 62%, despite having a "bad" shooting year.

And many people forget that he just played 91 games since 30th of June 2017. Since he was 17, he played in 172 over 21 straight months. Meanwhile College players fell off a cliff after their first 15 or so games. He hasn't seen a weight-room during that time. He will be much more fresh and athletic after his first full summer "off" (= conditioning) since he was 17 years.

@  Buzzard

What a stupid ass argument. So just because I am from Germany I know less about basketball (and apparently less about Euroleague/European National Leagues) than any American basketball fan? Makes sense. I mean, I played against Daniel Theis and Dennis Schröder in Braunschweig and some other domestic talent that went on to play for the National Team, worked for professional Basketball teams, know a former NBA Championship winner who played here on a personal level...but hey, Darryl from Texas sure knows more about Basketball because he lives in the same country the NBA plays in. Makes sense. Thanks for making my point about ignorant people.

You're the kinda guy that writes stuff like "Schröder averaged similar numbers as Doncic, lol competition" - yeah, in the 5th best league on the worst team. That is like a 5th Division of the G-League and comparing their worst team with the Golden State Warriors.

vor 2 Stunden, JCDBaptist sagte:

Do you think people will scheme to defend Young or Doncic? For all the international flair Doncic has, what real competition has he faced in Euroleague?

I ask this because, if it seriously that stiff of competition, Euroleauge would be more of a feeder league than college. How many other Euroleague players made the jump this year? How many others are highly decorated to even be mentioned? Okoge?

It is easier to standout when you're playing against NBA washouts, hasbeens, or team tryout players. Or just inferior athletes. But that would more appropriately be China league but still.

It was pros. PROS. Even if below the NBA level, do you know what percentage of NCAA-Div 1 players even goes pro SOMEWHERE? 1%.

Doncic won a tournament as the 1B player against teams led by Porzingis, the Gasol brothers and others. But I guess playing against dudes that by and large are sitting in an office chair doing a 9-5 job right now is better competition.

The ignorance here is unreal. I guess the "stupid American" stereotype isn't that wrong...

vor 1 Minute, thecampster sagte:

So this is how it works....you see...someone inbounds the ball...the guy he throws it in to brings it up the floor....that's the point guard....now you know how to identify him.

That's why Chris Paul has to defend Kevin Durant if he brings up the ball? Got it, chief.

You're making an ass out of yourself, mate 8)

vor 3 Minuten, thecampster sagte:

We were discussing his passing ability...that really only comes to the play if he's the main ball handler. He's going to be guarded by 3 and D when not playing the point...he'll be guarded by points when playing the point. Please don't make me block you.

That's now how the game works, my friend. You don't announce "Luka is my PG for this possession so you have to guard him with your point guard". He will be defended by a 3-and-D wing at all times, because that is his size/athletic profile. And he will defend that dude on the other end.

Just now, thecampster sagte:

Luka is going to have to adjust to "dribbling" against NBA point guards.  The Euro game is much more wide open. The chance of him dribble driving in space in the NBA will take an adjustment. Defensively, quick point guards are going to abuse him.

This is just flat-out wrong.

1. The floor is much tighter in Europe due to the closer 3 point line and the fact that you can play off your man as you like without any defensive-3-second rule. Also, these are pro defenses. If Doncic struggles with NBA level defenses, watch out for 10 TOs per game for Young (which he won't have).

2. If Doncic is defended by any PG, he will just bully them and post them up easily - the due is 6'8 with 230+ pounds already and will be even more athletic come September. They will have to put Sefolosha-type guys on him at least to defend him.

vor 6 Minuten, AHF sagte:

High ceiling / high floor >> high ceiling / low floor.

Good point. We easily fall into the dichotomy of "high ceiling / low(er) floor" and "low floor / high(er) ceiling" or "high risk / high reward" just because it sounds right. But it is much more likely that the player who is way better at 19 will be better at 29 than the opposite.

This is how it works against Doncic that he is already good to great at a lot of things. It is harder for us to imagine him getting even better, while it "easy" to see Young or others overcome the red flags about them and the holes in their games.

I like the Huerter pick. The guy has an elite NBA skill in his shooting so he will be useful, although it will be a hard task to make him a starter. The Hawks actually "hit" quite a few of these mid/late teen picks in Schröder/Prince/Collins already, so I hope Huerter will become the next one.

vor 6 Minuten, EazyRoc sagte:

Have you not noticed the trend ? The best Euro league “transfers” tend to be highly skilled big (6’10”+) players. Most of them never are “generational superstars”. Doncic is going to be very good. He’s not a franchise player. 

SchrÖder tore up the Nike Hoop Summit as the backup PG of a relegated (=dead last team) in the German league (maybe 5th best in Europe). Nowitzki did the same earlier. Meanwhile, while being YOUNGER, Doncic was the best player on the best team on the continent. It is unfathomable what he would have done against HS/College competition.

At worst he wil be the 3rd best player on a championship-level team, because he is that good now. He was as good/better than prime Goran Dragic who is a borderline All-Star. And that isn't even his floor, becabecause everyone improves at least somewhat over 10 years.

That's what people don't understand. But they will.

Just now, EazyRoc sagte:

There’s a reason why the best Euro league players don’t translate well to the NBA. 

You do realize that palyers like the Gasol brothers, Ginobili, Parker, Giannis, Jokic and so on and on all come from there? And the ones that did not play Euroleague show exactly how good the competition there is. Just somehow all the college busts never lead to someone saying "Maybe we shouldn't go for the guy whos only question mark is "If he ever develops a desire to play, he could be good"".

You can't compare 18-20 years olds playing vs. fully developed professionals. A mediocre 28 year old NBA player will smoke most highly-talented rookies, just because of age/experienc/etc.

98% of college players don't even sign a pro-contract in the 3rd Romanian league. Think about that...

vor 12 Minuten, TheNorthCydeRises sagte:

95% of those "grown men" couldn't play in the NBA.  Let's not act like Doncic played in a league that could even beat Villanova in the NCAA tournament.

 

L O L

vor 3 Minuten, EazyRoc sagte:

Steph Curry.

One player amongst the top ~20 scorers each year during the past 10 years. That's exactly my point.

You have to believe that Young is the big anomaly, which just isn't very likely. (Although I wish every player all the best ofc)

Just now, Flight sagte:

Worked fine with Teague and Schröder though..

True, but Schröder was the 17th pick and not the 5th. You don't draft 5th (3rd really) and sit the guy on the bench. And Schröder will not play a bench role on a team this bad, I think. (not to mention that even if Young is really good, he very likely will need 1-2 years to get better than Schröder is right now)

vor 2 Minuten, noble sagte:

He didn't say elite scorers, he said the top scorer. 

Exactly! Ciiting Youngs produciton as a justification for the pick is different from citing his ability.

And the track record for the high volume scorers + assist guys is not good. Seriously, look at the list :(

https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/stats?season=2014&category=ASSISTS&group=2&sort=4&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0

And here is the thing: if they don't have a good deal for Schröder already lined up, they now just lost all leverage in trade negotiations about Schröder.

You cannot bring in  Young and keep Schröder. And everyone knows it.

vor 3 Minuten, hazer sagte:

When the NCAA’s points and assists leader is the next Nash, I’m on record as calling this early and loving it. When Donciccio is the next Joe Johnson, a great player but not the next Nash, y’all come in back onboard.

Here is the thing: nearly no one who leads the NCAA in points or assists turns out to be a great (or even good) NBA player. Why? Because tehy tend to be "good" players on bad teams that just do what they want on offense. Look it up: https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/stats?season=2015&category=SCORING&group=2&sort=3&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0

The best NBA players that were premiere NCAA scorers the last few years were Buddy Hield and...well that's it. I guess De'Angelo Russel is next in line.

Yeah, the thing is: couldn't they have packaged Schröder + 19th +30th + take obn a bad contract to get in the 6-7 range for Trae YOung and keep Doncic?

Sounds a lot better than stockpiling late-teens picks.

Instead of

Schröder - Doncic - Prince - Collins - X

you get

Young - Bazemore(?) - Prince - Collins - X + a ~15ish pick (O guess).

Good f***ing job

Without the many injuries, Dallas would've won more games THIS YEAR. With Doncic, who is the most ready player of the draft and possibly a big FA, Dallas will sniff the Play-Offs. And then the 1st roudn pick from them is protected anyway?

Good riddance Hawks :D

vor 3 Stunden, Lurker sagte:

It's not based on one game. It's based on reports I've read. NBA people do not like him, at all. His value is a bag of potato chips.

And with NBA people you mean yourself and Diesel? ;)