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Moving pick much…

BS! That was a shooting foul… Bey should’ve gone to the line.

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48 minutes ago, Diesel said:

The Fix is in...  Just saw the reffing assignments...

 

Atlanta @ Miami

John Goble (#10)

Sean Wright (#4)

JB DeRosa (#22)

Aaron Smith (#51)

 

Goble attended FL international.  He went to high school and grew up in Miami. 

We know Sean Wright's handy work.

Sad part is that Wright lives in GA, right outside of Lawrenceville. 

Why does it always have to be an uphill battle?

 

Another uphill battle indeed. Based on the assigned refs, I have the Hawks at a 39% chance to win. Expecting the refs to allow Miami to play much more physical (lots of no calls) and touch fouls for us if we are playing well.

GO HAWKS!!!

31 minutes ago, AHF said:

Step 1 - Get the call right.  

Step 2 - Replay / review needs to get it right.

Step 3 - Refs should be counseled / disciplined based on the issue.

Bad calls are going to happen and some games with be replete with them.  It has been like that in every era of the NBA.  Some franchises and stars get better treatment in every era.  If replay of games becomes a thing, I would expect it to be abused in the same way where the Miamis of the world get the replay and the Atlanta’s don’t just like who gets the calls down the stretch.  The other practical reality is that basketball is a tough sport to ref and mistakes will be made every game so making it a part of the normal cadence to replay games with egregious errors just can’t happen in a sport with an 82 game season, imo.  (IMO, there is an egregious missed call or more almost every night of the season.)

From a big picture point of view, I’d be looking for every opportunity to eliminate human refs and move to automated systems like tennis or soccer have effectively done for certain calls.  I have more faith in those systems not getting hacked than I do in human refs being fair and competent.  The technology will continue to be capable of more and more over time and should be utilized when it is ready.

Couldn’t agree more! Curious to see the Last 2 Minute Report of this game when it comes out, but doubt it’ll bring any real change. Here’s a link to where it’ll be posted:

https://official.nba.com/2022-23-nba-officiating-last-two-minute-reports/

Honestly, you wouldn’t have a student grade their own work. Yes refs are human, but the system needs radical changes to make the games more fair and transparent.

I’m all for a non-biased 3rd party that isn’t connected to the NBA and is not financially benefited by the results of games to start publicly auditing full games. Force the NBA’s hand to bring the purity of the sport back.

That is until AI is ready to take over. Wonder if hacking could be minimized if the code/settings for games are recorded and transparent so any changes/hacks to the AI would be easily identifiable. Regardless, hacking would at least be more controllable than the current human biases/error refs have today.

FYI, here are the refs that were assigned to the Instant Replay Center tonight. I included their team records since Trae's been in the league (% rank vs 30 teams | % rank vs other refs for same team) when reffing for either team: 

Instant Replay Center Refs tonight:
Matt Boland: MIN 13-14 (17|33), ATL 12-7 (4|10)
John Goble: MIN 9-9 (15|27), ATL 5-17 (30|80)
Matt Myers: MIN 6-9 (23|64), ATL 4-15 (27|92)
Justin Van Duyne: MIN 17-6 (2|4), ATL 5-11 (28|72)
John Conley: MIN 3-6 (22|79), ATL 2-4 (23|65)

Looks like we had a 1 in 5 shot the IRC would overturn the call. Wonder which ref replayed it? 

Refs assigned for tonight's Hawks @ TWolves game and their career team records (with % rank vs other teams and % rank vs other 76 refs for same team) when reffing for either team:

Crew Chief: Ben Taylor #46 - MIN 14-21 (27th | 35th), ATL 17-16 (14th | 26th)
Ref: Scott Twardoski #52 - MIN 16-29 (26th | 55th), ATL 15-20 (23th | 57th)
Umpire: Cheryl Flores #91 - MIN 2-0 (2nd | 1st), ATL 2-0 (1st | 1st)
 
Based on these refs, Scott Twardoski is the one that might blow this game for us. However, due to our last outing against MIN, I personally have the Hawks at a 64% chance to get revenge and pull out a win tonight!


GO HAWKS!!!

Refs assigned for Hawks @ Spurs game and their career team records (with % rank vs other teams and % rank vs other 76 refs for same team) when reffing for either team:

Crew Chief: Pat Fraher #26 - SAS 65-27 (1st | 7th), ATL 46-38 (7th | 20th)
Ref: Tom Washington #49 - SAS 76-37 (1st | 13th), ATL 49-45 (10th | 25th)
Umpire: Robert Hussey #85 - SAS 4-2 (8th | 19th), ATL 4-1 (4th | 5th)
 
Based on these refs assigned, I predict a SAS win tonight. 

GO HAWKS!!!

7 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

That means that you couldn't be a professional ref.  A player's antics on the floor shouldn't affect how you call a game.  If it does, that's borderline point manipulation on the level of Tim Donagny

I agree and it shouldn’t… but refs aren’t robots. Hopefully not every ref, but player reputations/actions do play a role in how games are called. Which is why Trae/Team needs to learn to be better at ref management (let the coaches handle them). 

Here are the refs for ATL vs GSW tonight! Includes their career team records when they ref either team (% rank vs other teams AND % rank vs other 76 refs for same team):

Crew Chief: John Goble #10 - GSW 40-29 (6th | 25th), ATL 25-36 (26th | 54th)
Ref: Rodney Mott #71 - GSW 60-52 (10th | 43rd), ATL 38-69 (28th | 68th)
Umpire: Natalie Sago #9 - GSW 8-5 (20th | 67th), ATL 4-3 (12th | 13th)
 
Based on these refs assigned, I predict a GSW win tonight. 

GO HAWKS!!!

Refs scheduled for tonight's game and the career team records (with rankings based on career records of all teams they've reffed) when they are reffing during either a Hawks or TWolves game:

• Crew Chief: Scott Foster #48 - MIN (13th 52-49), ATL (14th 55-54)
• Ref: Mitchell Ervin #27 - MIN (24th 10-13), ATL (22nd 12-15)
• Umpire: C.J. Washington #12 - MIN (23rd 7-11), ATL (10th 14-11)

I have the Hawks getting their 6th straight win against the TWolves tonight! However, with these assigned refs and the issue Hawks have when the other team has starters out, there's a 24% chance that an upset occurs tonight.

GO HAWKS!!!

Refs scheduled for tonight's game and the career team records when they are reffing during either a Hawks or Celtics game:

• Crew Chief: Sean Wright #4 - BOS (38-39), ATL (38-36)
• Ref: Nick Buchart #3 - BOS (32-12), ATL (17-23)
• Umpire: Matt Myers #43 - BOS (11-4), ATL (4-14)

GO HAWKS!!!

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Let me know when this technology can call all the moving screens that Miami us allowed to get away with.

 

 

 

All for this! I'm also completely on board with AI refs replacing human refs in the future, but only if (pipe dream):

1. Biased-parties (anyone financially tied to the league or its games [including the association]) do not control the AI and it is managed/monitored by a non-partisan 3rd party.
2. AI performances/settings are recorded and transparent to the public (like settings in a video game). For example, fans/players will know how much contact would be allowed before a foul is called. 
3. AI ref calls are universal across all teams/games/players. Allow for true superstars to shine.

Surely refs would use AI as a tool at first. However I believe as AI gets smarter/more accurate, it'll quickly highlight how poorly refs call games and AI refs will be welcomed with open arms to all that value the NBA as a sport and not as entertainment. Unfortunately, as long as the NBA can ride the entertainment cash cow (money is king), they likely won't allow the game to be pure until the product is so far degraded that fans have lost all trust/interest in it and all financially-beneficial parties start to see a negative impact in their profit margins.

As a side note, basketball is my favorite sport and I love the NBA, but I hate its current product. Do you think more or less fans across the league would watch/enjoy games that were called more fairly? I know I'd certainly watch/enjoy more.

24 minutes ago, sturt said:

Well, first, I didn't specify any one individual in my allegation of "shallow" conclusions.

But clearly I was speaking to one conclusion in particular that's been asserted my multiple Squawkers in this thread.

 

And second, you agreed with that one.

 

And third, it won't ... though it should ... change agreement on that one by whoever has endorsed it.

 

It's important to note that unless you are in the locker room (I am not), this is all speculation. Regardless of other issues/injuries that occurred after ECF run (which I agree do contribute to those season records), I still believe that Nate's system and player development was worse than LP's and LP's motivation was worse than Nate's (thus possibly help balance out the records). Sadly, a coach's motivation is fleeting based on factors such as respect, trust, and results. No results can lead to no trust can lead to no respect can lead to no motivation.

There are so many factors to take into account when trying to compare one season to another, but I agree with @JayBirdHawk  that the offense after the ECF run got worse for this teams makeup that thrived in a fast paced system with efficient 3's and shots at the rim. The eye test confirms this. Nate's system (like JC said) would be a better fit for a more veteran group, which is not us. If we can get Quin on board, I think his system and motivation (if team buys in) is going to have us perform at a much higher level than what Lloyd or Nate were able to accomplish. 

35 minutes ago, Afro said:

YES! LET'S GET IT DONE!!!

9 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

He didn’t actually say Trae got Nate fired.  He said emphatically that LP was a terrible fit and worst coach he’s ever had.  He then said Nate is a different story, but he never said Trae got him fired.  Just meant that he wasn’t necessarily fired for the same reasons as LP.  

Correct! I oversimplified and this is a much better summary of Chandler's statement. Listening to these talking heads is quite numbing haha! Hate that I gave it a click.

2 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

I really don't understand this narrative.  Nothing would make Nate happier than getting his contract bought out and getting paid for staying at home and not dealing with Trae / the rest of the team.  I don't think there's a shred of evidence that suggests Nate maliciously got rid of all competent assistants.  The fact is Nate is a very mid coach and mid coaches have mid assistants.  It doesn't really change our current reality (no good coaches), but we don't have to be conspiracy theorists to drive a point home.

Actually... there is some evidence. This isn't a smoking gun, but troublesome even if there's a grain of truth to this. 

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/former-nba-players-slam-nate-mcmillan

Here's a snippet from the SI article about what Matt Barnes and Jelani McCoy talked about in regards to Nate McMillan. If this is the case (I hope not), I can definitely see Nate giving the Hawks no backup option and going down with the ship. I'd be curious to know how the current situation compares to when he left his other Teams?

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McCoy offered anecdotes about arbitrary rules McMillan enforced on his teams back in the 1990s. Additionally, McCoy said he had spoken with Young, Dejounte Murray, and John Collins' uncle about McMillan this past summer at the Seattle CrawsOver Pro-Am Tournament.

If that was not enough to send a chill down Hawks' fans back, it got worse. McCoy said, "Nate is very strong-willed and strong-minded. At the end of the day, he will burn this **** down before you show him out the door. He will burn it down. He's petty like that."

36 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Crazy, the suspense is a little ridiculous. Can Saddic play for us tonight?

GSW still need to do the deal to save money.

Trade hasn’t been finalized yet (all teams must sign off). Since GPII failed his physical, GS has the ability to cancel the entire deal by Sunday evening. This means Bey is technically still a Piston and will not be able to play for us until GS waives the failed physical.

Financially, it makes sense for GS to sign off on the deal (I think it saves them ~$100m in tax) and take it up with the NBA for POR to be fined. Them waiting to decide doesn’t hurt them anyway (GPII can’t play) so they are likely looking at all options, but at the expense of other teams in the deal. 

The questions I have are:

1. How did the GS deadline move from today to tomorrow (was it reported wrong initially)?

2. How does this affect FO relationships between these teams the longer this limbo lasts? 

We’re gonna regret not taking Tari Eason. 

Just putting this here. I get it's exhibition so take this with a grain of salt. But this breaks down how many minutes Team Durant players played with Trae Young during the All Star Game. He represented ATL well and deserves so much more respect from stans, his peers, the media, and association. SUPERSTAR!

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Eason has been near the top of my very short list so far in this year’s draft due to his fit with Trae. I see him best as a wing, but he’ll need transition/development time like Hunter did. He’s a high usage player when LSU’s dealt with injuries and has shown ability to be an attacking shot creator (he’s creative), but polish is necessary to become less predictable (no left hand, use more passing vision, etc). His defensive awareness and communication have potential to be special. What sold me on him is his energy, physicality, and fearlessness (very enforcer like).

If we draft Eason and get a more offensive minded Center, watch out!