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Official Game Thread: Hawks at Nets Part Deux (3 PM Tip!)
Nash replied to lethalweapon3's topic in Homecourt
Clint missing 2 bunnies in a row lol. One totally open and second somewhat contested -
Official Game Thread: Hawks at Nets Part Deux (3 PM Tip!)
Nash replied to lethalweapon3's topic in Homecourt
I hope this bad Brooklyn team doesn't have another historic shooting night from 3. I also hope that Saddiq will hit some of those wide open 3's like the one he just missed -
Again I didn't say 2 attempts, I said 5 or more with 2 or more of them made to be considered good. We may be confusing each other with term good. To me you're good if you're top 30, you're not bad if you score high efficiency on low volume and you're bad with low efficiency on low volume. You can also use terms elite, good and bad if that makes more sense. Steph, Klay and Bogi are then not good but elite. I have difficulties seeing Trae at that level even if the ofense was set for him same way as GS ofense is set for Steph and Klay
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The problem is that some people don't even know what catch and shoots assumes.
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No, I didn't say anywhere in replies to you or to the other poster that Trae sucks in c&s lol. I just said that he's not good as he's ranked outside of top 200 based on nba reference or statmuse. To quality to be labeled as "good" (like top 30 in the league) you would need to score 2+ of those per game on 5+ attempts. He was efficient though in limited # of attempts same as DJM. What I said and belive is that if Trae was forced to take more of those shots while playing off ball with DJM, the efficiency wouldn't automatically transfer. But anyway it was good discussion with you without using unnecessary bad words
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To be honest I don't see any difference in what you're saying from what I am saying here. The basic difference is that you believe that Trae is a good c&s shooter based on 0.8 fgm on 2.2fga this year and 0.5fgm on 1.2 fga carrer and I am saying that the volume thru the sample size is low to make that statement. You also seem to believe that if the Hawks offense was run differently and if Trae had more opportunities to take those shots (like go to 7 or he would do that with the same efficiency correct?
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I am not a Trae hater and I don't know how you came up with that. Trae is the the best player and the only star player on this team. I just don't see anything good with Trae and DJM playing together. As far as the last night's loss no Trae's of this world would help there. When the opposing team hits 22 3's on 48% you usually lose that game no matter what. Also winning on the road was never easy. The other thing is the time required for the team to gel. We need to see more games to draw any conclusion. C position has atrocious players that need to be upgraded. 9 rebounds between 2 C in 40min is just sad and JJ is not ready to play 5 at small lineup yet. Quin is asking too much from the guy at the moment
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Why then DJM 1.4 on 3.9 or Dre 1.5 on 3.6 or Saddiq 1.5 on 4.5 don't capitalize on playing with Trae and be better than Bogi and as they're anyway playing more time with Trae and in general. Because they can't. Because they're not as good as Bogi. And that is the difference between being good and not bad
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Exactly! That's why Aaron and Trae are not good and Bogi is very good. They can't get more chances as they're easy to guard off ball and Bogi is not, as simple as that. Opposing teams are not stupid but Klay and Bogi are still taking 7+ of those and hitting them at high clips. That's why Klay is second and Bogi is third on the list and Aaron is 165 and Trae is outside 200.
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If you don't understand why I brought up Aaron, how can you understand anything I wrote so far. I brought up Aaron because he started playing ball same year as Trae. He made more c&s at a higher clip than Trae throughout his career and he's not considered a good c&s player. Is he bad, no but he's not good either. If he was good, teams wouldn't have been jettisoning him every year. If you're good at anything in nba you're an asset. C&S is not just standing in the corner (or anywhere else on the court) and waiting for D to leave you alone and the ball will find you to shoot. It's more than that. You need to move around quickly and efficiently, you need to have quick release, you need to be able to shoot over other players, you need to be difficult to guard to be able to do that at a high clip. When you take ball out of Trae's hands it's the same as fighting against a cobra snake that had its teeth removed. He's not moving well when playing off ball. Due to his size he's not able to shoot over opposing D. It's 10x easier to guard him when he plays off ball. Same applies to Aaron. This is not a shot on Trae as he's a generational player and those are rare. He's efficient at a few that he takes in a game but he can't do that at a higher clip for the reasons described. Let me ask you a question: We both know that Trae is a much better player than Bogi. One is a star and the other one is a role player. Is this Hawks team better with Bogi or Trae at 2 if DJM is playing 100% of his time at point
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Problem is that the teams don't believe that you can do that at a high clip and that's why Tony Snell is out of the league and Holiday changed 5 teams in the last 5 years. Holiday with 1.0 fgm made out of 2.3 (43%) is ranked at 165. And if you're thinking that Aaron is drawing more attention on ofense than for example Bogi than you're fooling yourself. And if you think that Aaron can do the same on 7 or more attempts than you're fooling yourself even more
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I did the math on Aaron Holiday. Since his rookie season (same as Trae) he hit 254 out 580 on c&s at 43. 7% clip
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First of all, 90% of what you're putting into my mouth is not what I said or ment. My first post said "none of them is a good c&s 3pt shooter" addressing the situation when DJM and Trae sharing the floor. By no means "none of them is a good shooter" equals they're bad shooters. Same with low volume. I never said that low volume =bad shooter. All I am saying is that when it comes to Trae and DJM we don't have enogh data to classify them as good c&s players. I also said that it's nonsense to assume that somebody with low volume and solid efficiency will transfer to high volume and solid efficiency just if he tries more. That's literally like saying Bogi would be the same playmaker as Trae if he just had ball in his hands more lol. And then I start listing Bogi made 1381 career assist and only 601 TO which gives him ratio of 2.3 vs Trae's career 2.28. It just doesn't work that way.
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Man you sound like my wife now. When the data is against her she starts changing topic same as you. We're talking here catch and shoot and not 3pt catch and shoot let alone 3pt volume shooting. Trae is taking 2.2 attempts per game while playing 35+ mpg. That is considered low volume c&s and you can't tell if it's good or bad as there is not enough sample size. It's idiotic to say that if he takes more like 6.6 he'd hit 2.4 same as it would be idiotic to say if Hinton takes 6 3pta he'd hit 4.8. They're both low volume. To tell that somebody's good or bad you need both, volume and sample size. It's a mute point without one. To state that if someone's good 3pt shooter directly transfers that he'd be good c&s shooter just if he tries more is nonsense
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The D is keyed on Trae because he's an elite player with the ball in his hands and he's able to take teams apart if you don't key on him. No d is keyed on him when he's sitting in the corner without the ball waiting to catch and shoot
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You finally got it. It's idiotic to compare someone who gets 0.8 made on 1fga (80%) with somebody who made 0.8 on 2.2 (38.7%) attempts. Same as it's idiotic to compare somebody who made 2.7 on 7.2 with somebody 0.8 on 2.2. It just is. Same as it's idiotic to say that statmuse is wrong and your right. Same as it's idiotic to say that if you take more fga you'd hit them at the same clip. (this one is good) There is a reason why Trae, a high volume shooter is only taking 2.2 attempts per game
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So defenses are not keyed on Bogi? Or Steph Curry as a better example so they limit his volume?
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For you Nate Hinton is a very good 3pt shooter with 0.8fgm on 1 fga 80% Saying that he doesn't do it often would be true but saying that he's not a good 3pt shooter would be a lie correct? Just learn what volume and sample size means and then try to argue. But that could be overwhelming for you considering how you replied. I didn't put Trea outside top 200 statmuse did
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No he's not. Bogi's in the top 3 right after Markkanen and Klay with 2.7 FGM per game. Trae is not in top 200 with 0.8 fgm. He's even worse than Saddiq, Dre or DJM.
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Hawks didn't record 2 consecutive wins with a net rating of 44 points the entire season. Not even against tanking teams, let alone PO contenders. Not when fully healthy and eager to play. The reason for it is Trae and DJM pairing. Neither can guard their positions. Neither can play without the ball. Neither is a good catch and shoot 3pt shooter. They just starve each other and we're mainly playing 4 on 5 with both on the floor. The only player on this team that can play 1, 2, 3 and is a good catch and shoot guy is Bogi (3rd in the league) but his minutes get cut from 35+ to 26min hurting his confidence. Bogi's more valuable on the floor than on the bench even on the nights when the shots are not falling in as the floor looks wide open and JJ and DJM have wide open driving lanes. Can't wait for the next 3 road games to see how this lineup looks on the road.
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JJ +49, Bogi +45 lol
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I am not calling anybody out. Just facts lol
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You're not going to beat this team easily. It's not easy to score on a team where the shortest player is 6'5 lol Not a single dumb shot tonight. Team ball all night. Play Bogi 35+ minutes and don't worry about the court size. All lanes wide open, all 3pt shots taken wide open
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But the defense definitely not. It's better to win FH 50:38 than lose it 70:58 Size matters on D
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Let's beat these goons!
