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16 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

I can see the logic in that, but trading for him and Daniels does provide the Hawks with some benefit.  

1. We'd get a year with Ingram to see how he fit and he's a clear upgrade from Hunter

2. I assume we'd have his bird rights so we could offer him the most which could be beneficial in a s-n-t scenario

3. It's at least possible that Ingram and the Hawks fit really well together and they both want him to stay long term so they negotiate a reasonable deal

4. Daniels would be the long term player we would be adding in the trade which is a type of player we really need, so if the trade ended up being DJM and Clint for one year of BI plus DD long term plus either the 21st Pick or the LAL '25 Pick, I'd be ok with that.  Wouldn't love it, but after the rumors of DJM trades at the deadline that were full of crap players, I'd take it.  At least this trade gives the Hawks a long term POA defender and a pick. And if BI walks, we'd have the potential for a sign n trade.  

I don't like Daniels at all.  He can't shoot and is only a 61% FT shooter.  He is going to have to drastically improve his shooting.  When you are that bad at the FT line it rarely improves significantly enough and even rarer to become a respectable 3pt shooter.  Not saying it's impossible but very unlikely.

Without being able to shoot he is Matisse Thybulle or Andre Roberson.  You're playing 4 on 5 on offense.  Everyone else has to be elite around them.

Post from a Perth Wildcats fan.

Sarr combine interview comments

They arent trading Giannis in his prime  for JJ and a complete gamble on a player like Sarr.  If Giannis was truly on the block teams would give up the world for him, a much better package of picks than we could offer.  

Look what Rudy Gobert, Jrue Holiday, Paul George, Harden, KD fetched.  Giannis is on a whole nother level.  A team like OKC or Houston with all those picks would give up way more.  

If its Embiid than we just need to move on.  No thanks.
 

21 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

I think JJ / Sarr is the ideal pairing at the 4 & 5. Question is whether or not Sarr can be an every-play Center. If yes, this is the easiest pick ever.

If no or maybe, I think he’s still the pick. But it’ll just take some more work to make sure all the pieces fit right.

JJ / OO / Sarr on defense is lights out. Offensively tho… probably not perfect.

He's 7'1, 225 and just turned 19 years old 2 weeks ago.  He will easily gain 20-30 lbs in the next few years just as he gets older.  

Absolutely he can play center full time.

I wouldn't read too much into this.  Pretty much every player on the team has been in speculated trade rumors for this offseason.  They've heard the noise.  It's probably just a matter of not knowing if they will be around.  I think everyone will be fine once we get through the draft/FA and they know for sure if they will be around or not, lol

4 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I heard thake what they shoot in an open gym and divide by two to get to estimated in game production.  7/9 = 77.8%/2 = 38.9% if he shoots that, he'll be worth the number one pick with his projected defense.

Sarr is going to be a beast if he has any work ethic at all.  Will take a few years but you just can't pass on this potential.

He's also 10 lbs heavier than reported so he's already sizing up.  LETS GOO!!!

3 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

When I say "is this better than doing nothing", I'm not talking about for the 2024-2025 season.  I'm referring to the long term future of the Hawks.  I personally think it would be better because team success begets more team success, and Ingram is a better fit in my opinion and getting picks / young players is very good for us because we have the staff to turn those picks/player into positive assets, if we do not decide to trade them.  I also disagree that other teams will offer Ingram a max, but even if they do, a SnT would likely be in order and we could retain player bird rights that way, keeping flexibility to stay over the cap.  Or if Ingram fits nicely and we have nice results next year, we could consider keeping him.  We don't need to know if his fit is excellent or not before extending him, which is a big reason I feel this deal is more palatable than rolling the dice on someone that has a lot of time left on their contract.  I just seriously doubt a lot of teams are dying to throw a max bag at Ingram though.

How can you say 26 year old Ingram doesn't help this team at all and then suggest we go throw a bag at completely washed and constantly injured, 34 year old Klay Thompson?  That makes no sense at all.  

If you are advocating for Ingram, I'm not sure how you can criticize Klay for being injured.  Klay played in 77 games this year.  Outside of the 2 missed seasons he's been one of the most reliable players in the NBA for his entire career.  BTW I said I would be open to him if the opportunity/price was right, I wouldn't be throwing a "bag" at him. 

Ingram is much less reliable.  He averages like 55 games a year.  He hasn't played more than 64 games since 2016.  And he wants 50+ million?  He's barely a top 50 player even when healthy, in overall impact he's probably less than that.  The problem is he is 26 so he will probably get that money from someone.  His price makes him much less valuable to me.

I doubt we will even have a shot at Klay though so it really doesn't matter. 

10 minutes ago, Dragitoff said:

It's really sad Klay Thompson has fallen off the cliff.  He is what we need and could be had for a reasonable S&T most likely.  Unfortunately, the injuries and father time have clearly taken their toll on him.  He has size at the 2, could defend most guards and wings,  and could shoot the 3 with the best of them.

I would still give Klay a shot if the opportunity was right.  He still averaged 18ppg and shot 39% from 3 last year on high volume.  He had some bad games but I think he's still a solid contributor.  

12 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I get the idea around this, but this is also why we reacted and traded for DJM in the first place.  When Miami blitzed Trae in the playoffs, the Hawks didn't have an answer.  That Hawks team wasn't coached by Quin Snyder.  It was coached by Nate McMillan, who didn't have an answer for any problem.  

Trae is elite at creating scoring opportunities for his teammates, and Quin is an elite coach.  I don't worry about replacing Murray with another guard, and I give the secondary creation role to Jalen Johnson.  Give me a spot up catch and shoot guy who can defend at the shooting guard spot.  

Keys if we are going to be successful building around Trae.

1.  Need shooters at every position.  The Center doesn't have to be a great shooter, just needs the ability to hit a midrange jumper to keep the defense honest.  This will unlock Trae drives again.

2.  Length and defense at every other position.  

I think JJ and Hunter both fit here.  We need to square up the 5 (I like OO but he will struggle against bigger 5's like Zubac/Lopez/Valencunis) so we will need a BIG 5 off the bench.  And we need an SG who can play D and hit the 3.

I'd be willing to trade DJM in a package centered around Herb Jones but I just don't think NOP would be willing to do that.  

Dyson Daniels can't shoot at all so I don't want him playing beside Trae.  To me he doesn't even have potential as a shooter, he's a career 64% FT shooter.  That will not work.  He's Andre Roberson 2.0 IMO

1000%.  Swapping Murray for Ingram doesn't improve this team at all.  And IMO there is no way NO includes Herb Jones in the deal.  I hope I'm wrong but the whole world is watching what Minnesota is doing and will want long, defensive wings.  

I think it's just our FO having conversations simply because he is available and he is long.  But he doesn't play defense.  That won't work beside Trae.  I get it, we can't stand pat but I just don't like Ingram as the sole prize.  

Murray is an excellent asset with his production + contract situation.  We don't need to rush it.  I would still be open to trading Trae and keeping Murray too depending on the offer.  I know that will create issues too but we need to feel out the market.  This offseason and after playoff exits, teams will be looking to make moves.

3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

If you do the trade, you don't extend him until he shows he can fit alongside Trae.  If the Hawks are in a position to draft Matas Buzelis, they could have a similar style player interning behind him for a year at that wing spot.  

So then you gave up Murray for nothing.  And lose Ingram for nothing.  If he doesn't fit and we are losing, flipping his expiring contract with his money demands at the deadline is going to be pennies on the dollar.

We know what this team needs.  It's defense.  Ingram doesn't help.  I don't need a one-year rental to find that out.  He's another slow, lazy, zero impact player like Hunter.  Sure he has a pretty good offensive skillset, but that's not what this team needs.  If we were building around Murray or Jrue Holiday maybe he would be a better fit.

After the Timberwolves slashing of the Nuggets again last night, no way in hell NO is going to include Jones IMO.  Teams are going to look to replicate this.  

Love the idea of Murphy or Jones with Ingram.  I'm not sure NO is going to give up Ingram plus one of those guys, but it would be a great fit as we'd have a tall, long team around Trae.

Jones is a great defender but I'm not convinced he's a great shooter yet.  The previous 2 seasons he was at 33% from 3, this year seemingly the outlier at 41% and it was on low volume. 

Murphy has much more potential offensively as a creator and higher volume shooter, but will never be the defender that Jones is.

Either way I'd be happy as long with any combo of these guys as long we get someone else that can get a bucket besides Trae.  If we are trading Murray we need another offensive creator somewhere.  I think Ingram could be that guy.

We just need to start winning and all this goes away.  Just the way it is.

23 hours ago, NBASupes said:

The question is easy. 

Murray has proved during his starting run.

He's a better player than Trae

More impactful 

Better floor general

On a much cheaper contract and his teammates love him

But he also proved, he has little to no impact on carrying a team. 

Trae has ample ability to carry a team and he's hard af to deal with in a series when he can exploit you which Murray isn't capable of. 

Murray is like a better scoring ISO Joe without the hallmark size.

 

Because of this, I am keeping Trae every single time. 

Before I used to be, keep Trae, and maybe trade Murray. 

But now I am like, keep Trae unless you get Donovan Mitchell or Devin Booker or trade Murray for value so Murray definitely improved his value to me but the end result is still the same. 

I came here to say trade Trae for those same reasons.  But, the point of carrying a team in a playoff series is huge.  You need elite offensive players that can create buckets when pressure is high, defensive effort and intensity ramps up, and defense learns your moves in a long series.  If Murray is our best offensive player we have zero shot at winning anything deep in the playoffs, I don't care how good we are defensively. 

Trae has the ability to be that offensive engine, but he just needs to be more consistent.  He has some horrendous games where he single handedly loses us games sometimes with bricks and turnovers.  

The other part of me would love to see how good our defense would be with Murray playing the 1 (I love DJM as a 1) and another good wing that we receive in a Trae trade.  But the 1st issue remains, we will need an elite offensive player to create a bucket in tight playoff games.

Just look at last 10 NBA champions.  Nuggets (Jokic), Warriors (Curry), Bucks (Giannis), Lakers (Bron/AD), Raptors (Kawhi), Warriors, Warriors, Cavs, Warriors, Spurs.  You can't win without an elite offensive player.  

Now, the other challenge is building enough size, defense and shooting around Trae to GET him to that point in the playoffs.  I think with the right group around him that's possible, it's just going to be super hard to do.  Building around Murray is much easier if we can find an elite offensive player.

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Top 10 protected in 2026...then 2 2nds: 1 in 2026 and 1 in 2027

I've never understood why a team would agree to trade allowing a 1st to become a 2nd.  It should remain a protected 1st until it conveys.   

Trae was SO GOOD at ending opponent runs back in the day.  But now it seems like when the other team is on a run, his turnover rate accelerates.  Just such bad timing on his turnovers.

That's a bad play by Trae, they aren't giving you that BS in the playoffs.  Just don't do it.  It's clearly not a basketball play.