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Quote: In addition, Wallace has always had attitude issues (internal team strife at its worst and excessive technicals at its best) which takes away from the image of him as a team leader. Chris Bozworth, Jeremy Shocky run their mouths .....they are confident Sheed, Keyshawn Johnson run their mouths.....attitude problem

Quote: Is a comparison of Dirk and Rasheed. I think that both of these players have the same type game.. In fact, Sheed has a much better post game and is much better defensively. However, I have NEVER heard any MVP buzz for Rasheed and He is the reason why Detroit was a championship team... However, Dirk has played with Nash.. He has done well. He has been an allstar.. and anytime Dirk has a 20/10 season going, he gets MVP buzz. Why is that? Exactly, Sheed has a very similar game, comparable numbers and even more team success than Dirk, yet Sheed instead of praise gets lambasted in the media and is portrayed as wild and out of control, Dirk gets a technical foul....he's passionate, Sheed gets a technical foul....he's crazy

I have constently said I hate 7fters that think they are point gaurds, Until recently Dirk didnt play a ounce of Defense...............Wait I'm not going to sit here and bash Dirk to prove a point, Dirk is a good player he has good offensive skill, he could improve on the interior, and his D has picked up alot, I never have said he was garbage, nor does he have striking holes in his game I just said like I always have he is a top 15 to 25 player, there isnt a Damn thing wrong with that, its alot better than I rate Harrington or Josh Smith. Just because I dont think he is comparable to KG, somehow I am disrespecting him?. The truth is this entire debate is about me somehow denying him his place in history, He is a Good player, but best in the league, NO WAY.

Because while I say my reasons are not related to his race, I think he gets ovehypped because of his race. I think he is good, but if you dont claim he is Jesus then suddely, your evil.

Before integration Black owned banks, insurance companies were amoung the largest in the nation, afterwards they decreased drastically. Often people try to make it seem that blacks were the beneficiaries of desegregation but white benefited eqaully if not more.

Nash and Dirk are the greatest players in History, Larry Bird and Mchale are the only players that can touch them, John Barry and Pistol Peete, are Gods!

Your saying that based on this season he has moved into the upper eschelon, well #1 he cant prove anything to me until the playoffs, because alot of his success this season has to do with the system Avery Johnson put in. The other factor to consider is the fact that anybody can have a career year, if we used a single season to evaluate talent then Reef would have been a top 5 player a couple of times. My evaluation has nothing to do with his race, Dirk has alot to prove, Quote: Despite the fact that you recognize and admit that he does play D now and he does play harder now. If dirk stomps out the league and gives the mavs a championship playing D and not doing that 7 ft point gaurd crap then yeah I'll move him up to 8 or 9 but for now he is somewhere between 17 and 22 in my mind.

AA does nothing more than divert money out of the African American community, AA ensures that black athletes will be willing to go to USC,UGA, UCLA, etc. and not be scared of being the only black person there, it also ensure that half of the top black students will chose Ga. Tech and the such over Howard, Morehouse, Spelman, Virginia State, where whites recieve minority scholarships and preferential admissions. It works both ways, before integrations blacks had successful corporations and institutions that integration hurt to a great extent.

Magic Johnson

All of this is a matter of opinion, you are trying to negate my opinion because it doesnt vibe with your, Dirk could hold KG's jock strap. Until recently he played no D and fell apart looking for Micheal Finley to bail him out in the playoffs. The idea that he is an elite player sounds insane. But that is neither here or there its still a matter of opinion, Dirk doesnt impress me that much, I think he is good but the kind of praise he gets is just unwarranted.

More crying, believe it or noit AA has no effect on admissions, it is as rare for an underqaulified black to get in as it is a underqaulified rich kid, to get in.............George Bush, Al Gore..........hmmmmmmm, I am so tired of the Black people are keeping us down arguments.

Reef put up similar numbers, so I guess maybe its not as impressive as you imply

I've always respected your post, you dont fly off the handle and join in nonsense. I am not implying that people in the area are ignorant. I do stand by the statement that WCU isnt exactly Harvard. That is however not a reflection on the WCU surrounding community. If you are a WCU grad then obviously that says alot for the schooll because you are nothing more than a gentleman.

Ever consider that Dirk want the MVP. He isnt better than the players I listed IMO, maybe I am wrong but I usaully am not. Dirk is a good player, but folks around he talk like he is some kind of a God.

Let see I say Dirk is amoung the top 25 players in the league and thats not good enough, I'm a racist. Everytime a white guy scores more than 20 points in game, people act like he's the messiah. Be relistic, is Dirk better than KG,AI,Kobe,Lebron or T-Mac, no not even close. I'm sorry from now on I will recognize that Peja, Dirk and Nash are the greatest players to ever touch the ball. Your assertion is the same as me saying Aaron Brookes is better than Peyton Manning just because he is above average.

Thanks, I actually see where your coming from on Melo, but Melo is a SF an 4 inches shorter than Dirk. But good point. I think I might agree with you on Marbury. Frachise and Rip Hamilton are the truth though. I respect your analysis more than 99% of the other posters so I'm glad to see your on board.

The NBA is 80% black and 90% of the white players are just role players, So me have a list that has 20 blacks and 1 Asain at the top is not racist, its realistic. How many white playes are in the top 20, Other than Nash, Gasol, Dirk and Kirelinko, I cant think of any that should even be on the allstar team. Here is alist you will like top ten players in the League 1 Dirk 2 Peja 3 Nash 4 Gasol 5 Whitey 6 Whitman Jim 7 Whiteman Steve 8 Whiteman Bob 9 Whiteman Mark 10. Whiteman Neal Boortz

Quote: He hasn't. Didn't you read *sarcasm* in my post? Actually, the white man has made it easier for you to get into prestigious schools due to affirmative action. If you were white, your butchery of sentence structure would get your application thrown in the trash. That's not to say that grammar has anything to do with ability to succeed in the business world, of course. Your pathetic, Maybe I am in an Ivy League mba program because I had a 3.9 GPA in Graduate school, Maybe I had a 790 on ny GMAT, No its because I am a Ni**er, We just sit around robbing poor whitemen like yourself of all your opportunities. Matter of fact we sit around on Blackplanets.com plotting how we can ruin your lives. The truth of the matter is Affirmative Action was established to force racist instituitons to let 5 or 6 over qaulified black in a year. Result White women get to use a program designed for traditional disenfranchised populations, befenficiary: White Men. .....................This comment actually proves to me that your a useless bigot, who is listening to Micheal Savage @ night, wishing deep down inside he was black so he could rap like Kanye, dance like Diddy Ball like Jordan or have the Mind of Ben Carson ( look him up bigot). I'm the oppressed minority yet your the one who is probably broke and relatively uneducated. Oh well guess I will enjoy the life thet you were supposed to have. PS. since I dont live in a trailor wishing they would end Affirmative Action so black folks would stop stealing my life, I dont bother to use proper grammer or spellcheck for a bunch of people I dont know. Its called a life get one.

Just because I think their are 20 players better than Dirk isnt me saying he is garbage, I just dont think he is a top 10 player, Is that sooo wrong? I think he is overhyped for reasons that have nothing to do with basketball, he is a good player, but Top 10 definitely not.

Your giving me a lecture on Black nationalism and economic empowerment...........hmmmm, lets see, your right walter's being from WCU doesnt tell me that he is an idiot, his ridiculous comments do, his institution of learning only tells me he probably had low SAT scores. Quote: How else could he make up for his inferior atheltic ability? Lets see you make some kind of assumption that because I judge people on more than how many points they score and dont fawn over every overhyped white player that somehow that means that I assume blacks are better athletes. I know because we are dumb gorillas that can only out shine white folks on the basketball court...right? NO Their are alot of reasons whites underperform in sports. Blacks arent by right or definition superior athletes, otherwise those European countries wouldnt be competitive in the World Cup. Your assertions are ignorant and misplaced. Yes Afro-Latinos dominate sports in Latin America and Afropeans in Europe just as Afro-Americans here, however Afrikaners (White South Africans of Dutch and German descent....for you WCU grads) dominate sports in South Africa. Quote: The white man has kept you down all these years to make himself feel superior intellectually. I'm a millionaire,I have two successful businesses, I own three homes, I am about to complete an Ivy leauge mba, I already have Engineering degrees from the University of Florida and Georgia Tech respectively. My brother graduated from Duke and is in Medical school. How in the HELL has any white man kept me down? White people cant stop you from achieving in life, if that was the case China, India, Japan, Korea, Dubai and SouthEast Asia wouldnt enjoy the type of economic success they have seen. Your life is your own and the fact is opportunity can always be capitalized on. I hate hearing that white folks keeping me down bullshhhh, Is there racism, only idiots pretent there isnt, but at the end of the day more people than not are interested in who you are as an individual and what you can offer them......................PS. Inspite of what you read on blackvoices.com not every white man sits in his basement plotting how to destroy black people, racism is a silly complex that people, myself included, have get over, the truth is you can take pride in your cultural identity without browbeating, other cultures and races. Quote: You should get rich to show him who is boss. Everybody knows that wealth is all that really matters. Money is the great equalizer. Jesus said so, himself. PREACHING TO THE CHOIR!

Thats Easy I'll name 20 Lebron James Kevin Garnett Shawn Marion Amare Stoudamire Kobe Ballhog Bryant Elton Brand Ron Artest, Yeah I Said IT! Rashard Lewis Carmelo Anthony Paul Pierce Shaquille O'Neal Dwayne Wade Dwight Howard, Yeah I Said IT! Joe Johnson, Yeah I Said IT! Ben Wallace Gilbert Arenas Allen Iverson Chris Webber Yoa Ming, Yeah I Said IT! Tim Duncan Tony Parker ..................Thats (21). Players On the same level as Dirk Chris Bosh, Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Ray Allen, Starbury, Stevie Franchise, Rip Hamiliton

Well I agree as a #1 pick he is a wash but not as a player, I can easily see him rebounding and playing D which is the most important thing a center can do. I am not impress by 20PPG scorers because they are a dime a dozen.

We are the champions my friends............

Diop has talent he just needs experience and confidence, physcially he has the potential to be a Mutumbo/Shaq like presence on Defense, his Offensive skills are garbage but, that comes from not being experienced. I am not a big fan of the offense running through the center I am more worried about centers playing D. Same with Brown he is playing great D and rebounding now that Mihm is out and he is gaining confidence Glad to see your still hating on folks. How have you been?

Yes I submit to your superior intellect sharpened by the great University of Western Carolina. Anyway like I said the only Euro players I thought had any talent were Diaw, T.Parker and Sophocles. Now that Dirk has decided to harden up I will give him a little credit, he still isnt one of the top 10 players in the league, but he is decent. Gasol isnt great he is okay. As for the Rest outside Kirelinko ( who doesnt count because I have been a big supporter of the Russian players, all 3 of them) the whole bunch is soft and has limited talent. Glad to see your not still running around crying about Diesel being a spy with the CIA, trying to intimidate you and your family. LMAO.