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10 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I missed the game.  Any meat to the complaints of Cavs fans about us getting a favorable whistle?

Frankly we don’t play good or aggressive enough defense to be in a position to foul in a lot of situations. Meanwhile they had Okoro riding Trae at half court. So I think it’s mostly sour grapes.

11 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

We’re currently 43 games under .500 in the Trae Young Era including the playoffs.  He hasn’t missed many games at all and no one else approaches his minutes or usage.  Truly Great players raise the floor, folks.  No if, ands, and buts involving the rosters, coaches, and GM.

We’re 6 games over .500 with him when the team isn’t tanking. Plus he led us to best playoff run in Atlanta Hawks history as a 22-year old. He’s flawed and still learning but we don’t have to unnecessarily cut him down.

Lol I love Supes’ made up stats. Regardless of the absurdity of saying any players are worth 30+ wins, we only hit 45 wins a few times with Horford. We won 53 when he missed most of the season.

49 minutes ago, AHF said:

If the question is what will help us get the best record this season, it is very likely the answer is not "big playing time for our rookies."  But if the question is "what will do the most to help us prepare for next season while still letting us compete this year" the answer of "give Jalen a limited role in the rotation of ~10 mpg adjusted per game conditions and his play that night" might be the answer.

If Jalen plays nothing but G-League competition it is unlikely he is going to be ready to do much of anything to start next year.  That is the Lakers let Kobe fire a bunch of stupid shots as a rookie with 15.5 mpg even though he was not helping them to compete and that was a 56 win team.  

We're just fighting to get back to .500 right now. I don't think we have the luxury of sacrificing 10 mpg for his development.

Yeah you’re just describing sports fans. Every team has the fan favorite(s), every team has the goat(s).

The area where Hawks fans may be above the rest is crying about media disrespect when we consistently underachieve. Whenever we get any momentum and people start to believe in what we’re doing we fall flat on our faces.

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

This is a notable observation.  Knix won regular season games because most teams check out on random Tuesdays (not cool but iiwii).  NYK took advantage of playing hard in those moments when other teams didn't.  Once the playoff started, and everybody was playing with max effort, talent took over.

I give the cRpats credit that they'll be able to fare better than NYK did.  But it's fair to suggest they'll be worn down.  Ibaka was a good pickup but, let's be honest, that dude was over the hill 3 years ago.  All he does these days is not play so ....

Ibaka went to Milwaukee unless I missed something.

People gave Morey a lot of grief but he turned Curry and someone who refused to play into James Harden. That’s a scary duo in Philly.

On 1/31/2022 at 9:48 AM, benhillboy said:

Individual ratings are by far the best simple rating for a player IMO.  There are outliers for sure, notably Dre’s defensive rating.  
 

The methodology is the closest to science projects we had to do as a kid: isolating variables to learn about the control.  It strives to find the impact of a player when the other 9 guys on the floor are perfectly average: makes a ton of sense to me.  How do you explain Gary Payton Jr having the best offensive rating by far on the warriors and a defensive rating tied with Draymond when he’s usually running with a bunch of cast-offs and a rookie?  It’s because all he does is stop opponents dribble, dunk, and rarely makes mistakes. No ones gonna tell me OO hasn’t been keying this win streak when his ratings and my eyes scream that he has.

I just been studying it a long time and there are loads of facets of the game contained in those two little numbers.

The creator of the stat admits that defensive rating is heavily dependent on the team's defense. And for offensive rating the smaller your role the easier it is to have a big number. Payton II is a good defender who can go all out for 16 mpg while playing with other solid to great defenders and, as you say, he's asked to very little on offense on a team with a great system (and Mr. Gravity himself). So his ratings are understandably strong. Players like Hunter who play on sketchy defensive teams and don't rack up steals/blocks are significantly undervalued by defensive rating. 

9 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I'll do anything to get 'the Mitten' to stick as a nickname.

I hate to break it to you but the Mitten nickname has already been given to the Glove’s actual son. He probably hates it tho.

9 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You're right but 'they' use every defensive metric, no matter how team-dependent it is, to deride Trae's individual defense when we struggle.  We should be able to use it in the reverse now.

You can start citing stats you made up for all I care. 

Defensive rating is heavily dependent on the team. It’s not a great individual stat. Still, Trae has been part of the improvement so it’s not totally undeserved.

Cam was a negative player, period. I don’t think his absence is the main reason we’ve turned things around, but it’s certainly part of it and it’s obviously going to be talked about. If someone keeps targeting you when bringing up Cam then sure that’s crossing a line, but otherwise you just have to be an adult and live with it. 

I think you just have to accept we’re going to give up some size against certain teams and play around it. I don’t see Schlenk making any trade to make us “beefier”. 

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I reject the notion that Trae had a BAD Game??

He was money on defense.

And who led the Hawks in Scoring?

He scored 21 points on 25 shots (JC had 21 on 13). He had 6 assists and 5 turnovers. It was one of his worst offensive games of the season. But one of the best defensive games of his career so I'm not sweating it overall. Just something he can improve on in the future. 

52 minutes ago, swanlee said:

Why would we trade JC for a broken player with serious mental problems and a locker room cancer? who we also embarrassed last season? JC's defense is certainly good enough to not send him packing for someone like Simmons.

I was just answering your question. I don’t want Simmons.

Because if you want someone like Simmons (or if people suggesting trades think you want that) then you need JC’s talent and contract to make it work.

1 hour ago, RedDawg#8 said:

I liked Cam, but I genuinely hated that thread title. I am a huge NFL fan, and that Randy Moss comparison never made any sense to me at all. The fact we ran with it was the bane of my existence lol

We still have the Trae thread with the random nicknames no one has ever used lol 

Andrew Wiggins starting an ASG lol

At this point TLC just kind of seems like a less athletic Knox. I'm perfectly happy with Knox getting all of his minutes. 

33 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

One disappointing thing from last night. An loud audible "let's go Heat" chant from the crowd in the 4th quarter that could be clearly heard on the broadcast. Atlanta sports fans are so weak, sorry but they are. An audible "let's go Hawks" chant from the crowd would never emanate at a game in Boston, New York, Philly, etc, not in a million years.  

You just noticed? It was worse last week when they visited, obviously. Always tons of Miami fans in the arena. I thought it would die down after Wade and LeBron left but it hasn’t.