HalfHawk

I find it hilarious this thread has gone on this long.

Geeks gonna geek.

Thank you that was the reply I was looking for earlier. And yes I was being serious in my earlier reply. No 99% isn't a real number, it's hyperbole used to demonstrate something that is in fact true. I've been involved in multimedia and 3D for nearly 13 years now and have produced it edited hundreds of videos so I'm pretty well versed on FPS and the like. I know the Hobbit was filmed at 60 FPS and it was slammed by many for it as it looked fake. Perhaps it will be different for video games but I'm skeptical and certainly don't think giving up the whole media center in one concept of the XB1 is worth what might end up being a failure for the PS4. And it's funny I used to be a diehard Playstation guy but online gaming sucked back when I cared to play online and so I switched and I really see no reason to switch back either. Unless I can see a clear and tangible difference in gameplay between the 2 it's really just preference or allegiance as far as I'm concerned. As I said earlier I've got a gaming PC I built last year that exceeds the PS4 in every way so if the graphics really mattered that much I'd just play on it. Of course I'd miss out on Madden but if 2K comes out with a football game this year it will likely be on the PC anyway.

I think the issue isn't that it looks fake, but that it looks "too real" for the CGI thus loosing the whole cinematic effect people have grown accustomed to. As far as video games go, the new, console standard is definitively 60fps and most One exclusive games will tailor to the hardware and provide this, but the multi-platformers not so much. Cutting back and upscaling to achieve 60fps has worked for most of the launch games, but the new Tomb Raider game is an example of one that used the cutback and upscale method yet still couldn't reach 60fps. This double whammy needless to say made a lot of people angry. Also realize on your PC there is no FPS lock and given your hardware it's not uncommon to reach even 100+fps. This has been the standard for computer gaming for many years and while people continue to bicker about it on console, the new standard of 4k, 60fps is going to be established for PC in 2-3 years.

With that being said, yes, the One does currently excel as being the center point of your media setup. No argument there, but I wouldn't disregard the PlayStation in that argument just yet. Instead of going through your cable feed middle-man style, Sony's aiming to launch its own cloud based cable service that mixes video streaming and live TV with your PlayStation device as the receiver. On top of that, this summer is going to see the launch of the much anticipated PlayStation Now service. Imagine a Netflix-like experience capable of streaming video games to your PS4, PS3, Vita, phone, tablet , and even your TV itself.

I would also like to point out the comedy in the alley-oop windmill to Blake Griffin lw3 posted being followed up by an alley-oop windmill to Blake Griffin.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHF0r69KNMY&feature=youtu.be

~lw3

Shout out for the 13-13 at the line. Fundamentals!

Well just calling it like I see it. You decided to act like a douche to my legit non argumentative reply so yeah... Anyway at this point I could care less what your opinion is and until tonight I had no idea who you are but now I do for the future.

I didn't really think your reply was serious and I'm currently writing a paper, but if you insist.

It's entirely true that TV shows and movies are recorded and broadcasted in 24-30fps, but the reason for it being so is absolutely not because of "99%" of people not being able to see the difference. It's one thing to artificially create 3D models and environments in full HD and high FPS, but it's an incredibly complicated and expensive process to record and produce a real-world recorded product of the same specifications. Now I'm not going to pretend like I'm an expert in the field on all this, but it's essentially because we're not properly equipped for it. Just like how some theaters weren't properly equipped to play the Hobbit or Avatar films in 48fps, many if not all channels are not properly equipped to broadcast shows at such marks. That is the reason. To add, the Hobbit was also recorded in a 5k, 60fps format, but there were no theaters that could screen this one.

In upscaled resolution, the CPU/GPU takes a 720p/900p/whateverp image and stretches it by "guessing" what color a bordering pixel should be. As you can imagine, this process isn't perfect and creates undesirable, jagged edges and added blurriness. The after-effects are then smoothed and blurred further, but the process is still visible.

But if you weren't concerned with the graphics, then no harm to you. I'm primarily a PC guy, but it's not as simple as play it on the computer for graphics when it comes to sports games and that's the definite reason I own consoles. To put it simply, sports games on computer suck and are always ported from console to PC and the last Madden for PC was way back in 08. In order to properly play these games at their best, I got a PS4 first. It's all I'm saying.

Thanks for the reply captain summers Eve! Guess I will try and have an actual discussion with someone else.

Quite a convenient time to dismiss the argument and resort to name calling...

99% of people will not recognize a difference.

Top notch statistic.

There's a reason TV and movies are at 24 or 30 FPS.

Cool, this isn't relating to TV shows or movies.

Are you saying that the 1080p on the xbox isn't real?

Actually, yes. It's upscaled, not native.

There is at least some difference in graphics when it comes to 720p vs 1080p whether you care to admit or not, but the real difference is frames per second or the fluidity of gameplay. This is ultimately why I'd recommend PS4 to those considering one or the other.A couple of comparison links..

http://30vs60fps.com/

http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates

Well the XB1 will be more than enough to keep me happy playing my 2-3 sports games a year where I don't have to worry about the higher end needs of some of the incredible games out there that make me motion sick playing them. I just finished my quick game playing as the Heat against the Spurs and wow it was incredibly fun! Being able to literally saying get Lebron back in the game and having him get off the bench and get ready to check in was so incredibly cool. Then having an awesome highlight dunk and having the game auto save that as a highlight and upload it to my account without me having to do anything?? Are you kidding me that's freaking awesome! I never got 2k14 on my 360 so I can't say if some of these fun improvements in the game are simply the new year's version or if they're related to the XB1 vs 360 but this is a FUN experience now. Even being able to yell at the ref and getting T'd up is fun.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but you're cutting yourself short with the One if sports games were your primary concern. I know you said you're loyal to the brand, but shouldn't it be about what suits you best? Also, something many people fail to realize is the voice commands are also available on the PS4.

..... and you can get more bang for your buck for PS plus membership.....

A thousand times this, the value you get from a 1 year PS Plus subscription is staggering. I still have a hard time believing the amount and the quality of the free content that's thrown our way every month. January's free games alone would have easily retailed above $400.

As owner of both consoles... xbox1 is superior , not saying ps4 is bad but I prefer the smooth operation of xbox1 and the graphics are a toss up..

You're on the money when you mention smoother operation given the Kinect technology, which is surprisingly starting to grow on me. Navigating through the UI is very polished and fluid and works wonders with live television, but you shouldn't dismiss a major fault in the One by simply calling it a "toss up." It's a huge understatement and Microsoft clearly messed up in going with the lesser graphics card paired up with bottle necking DDR3+ESRAM. The fact that we're just a minute into the life span of this generation and already you can make a list of multi-plats which run at higher resolution and FPS on the PS4 is a pretty big deal. This isn't something that can be fixed as the hardware's in place and it's not going to get any better from here on out.

The good thing is specs and fancy particle effects aren't the primary focus of the One and it can get away with this because of its superiority as an all-around media device. The exclusives aren't to boot either and with Titanfall right around the corner, many people are going to have their reason to buy into the next gen of Xbox. With all that being said, I'm satisfied with both and can't wait for all the AAA titles to start rolling.

Why? Are these images from the PS4 that ugly?

I wouldn't judge the graphics capabilities of any game/console on twice-compressed images, but to each his own.

No not at all I've just been putting off getting a next gen console and I'm getting the itch now. I am a loyal Xbox guy and I haven't gone out and gotten the XB1 yet. There's only 1 reason I'd get the PS4 and that's for MLB The Show and I'm hoping the XB1 will finally get a good baseball game this year to compete.

Don't scratch yet, I've had the PS4 since launch and the One since Christmas and it's all pretty mediocre. 2K's decent, but there's no must own titles on either console at this point. If you didn't have a PS3 last gen, you could find some great value playing the titles you missed out on.

For those playing 2k14 on next gen, anybody else notice the "new" pac-man Hawks logo? Haven't seen or heard anything about a new alternate logo, but it looks great.

This was in an online "my team" game which is my favorite mode on 2K.I am just starting so I don't have any stars yet.I have Dennis and Jordan Cunningham getting it done ATM though.Who else has pS4?

Add me, my PSN is HalfHawk.

I wasn't a fan of the old Kinect but I've heard good things about the new one. Can the PS4 start up and resume a game like the xb1 can? To me that's the coolest feature, plus having live tv in a picture in picture type of window. I don't play online but that was the biggest reason I have up playstation back in the day when I did play online.

The PS4 can't do the resume thing yet, but it's coming in a future firmware update.

I've had mines since launch day and it's been a really enjoyable gaming experience. I could explain why I made my choice, but it should come down to what you prefer in your living room. The One is the superior media device and the PS4 is the more dedicated gaming console.

When Best Buy opens today, they'll be selling the pre-orders that weren't picked up. I'd call in advance to see how many they have in stock though.

I'm sure everybody on this board dreams of swapping for that high of a pick, but there's absolutely no way the Nets finish in the bottom ten."Please be wrong, please be wrong, please be wrong."

God have mercy on those poor fans.

What's crazy is my new gaming PC is more powerful in almost every way to the new consoles but they'll probably never put out these types of sports titles for PC's with this amount of detail because of having to work on low end PCs. That alone is going to force my hand and make me fork over $500 come Christmas time to get the new Xbox One.

The discrepancy has more to do with working on the current generation of consoles than low end PCs, though I guess you could make the argument that they're on equal footing anyways. Point being, most games are made with the current generation of consoles in mind, then they're ported over to PC. With the PS3/360 packing 8 year old hardware, most of your games aren't fully utilizing your system's specs, since it's easier for devs to downscale everything than it is to upscale for the various machines out there.

Still don't be discouraged, you'll certainly see improved graphics+physics with your PC games once the PS4 and XBone get up and running as the new standard. I'm in the same boat as you though, I've got a nice gaming PC, but I went ahead and put the money down for a PS4 pre-order from Amazon. You get the best of both worlds; exclusives on console and raw power from your own build.

This is actually applicable to any Balkan-hailing player with an "-ić" last name.

Radmanović, Teletović, Peković, Vucević, Pavlović, Dragić, and so on..

"Atlanta Howkes"Yup, replacement Zaza.