SalvorMallow
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How was it taken out of context?
I can see how you wouldn't like Gearon for exposing a GM you may like to the general public which is understandable to a degree but what was taken out of context?
The reason for termination is this isn't construction or even the corporate world where Blacks are either far and between or in inferior positions. This is where they general make up the vast % of workers and are valued at a premium. Doing racial ish is a dead sentence just like Coach P.J. was blackballed when he got CHOKED out by Latrell Speewell. You must remember what we are referencing here.
As for firing Ferry, that should be based on his job performance for me, not this statement but this statement is clearly blackball worthy material especially for someone in a power position like Ferry. He is not the owner which means he's easily replaceable via the by laws.
It's my understanding that Ferry ranted for 5 minutes about how great of a basketball player and person Deng was prior to making this statement. Removing that from the audio and from the letter that he released is, by definition, taking the statement out of context.
In my opinion, the type of job has no bearing on what comments should or shouldn't be made. Ferry was ABSOLUTELY wrong in making those comments, and would have been wrong making those comments even if he was associated with NASCAR rather than the NBA, and in either case, punishment and sensitivity training should be required.
If he wanted to reference those comments from the scouting report, he should have heavily paraphrased, abstracting all racial context from the report. Listening to the audio, it sounds like he had not pre-read the report, and so was not prepared to redact the inappropriate statements.
I agree with the meaning of your last paragraph whole-heartedly. If Ferry is unable to put a quality product on the floor because his reputation is tarnished, then we terminate for a lack of job performance, not because of the comments themselves. It is entirely too early to make that assessment right now, which is why I feel Ferry should be retained.
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This is a great thread because we get to touch on a real world issue. That is racial and cultural differences.
Dolf is early 40 late 30's and AHF is probably mid to early 40's white guys.
I am in my late 20's and you seem to be late 20's early 30's black guys.
The difference is simple. For most white guys, they said things they probably didn't mean and in their mind, it doesn't make them a bad person especially if they have Blacks who come out to their defense such as Ferry's case.
For that, they think it's okay and as long as they are sorry, they should be able to go back to doing their jobs normally. Now many if not most Blacks especially men are always on edge in this country with Whites due to covert racism and the hidden and hard felt effects of it. So when a White guy says this and they don't really have a relationship with him, they are sold that this guy ain't ish and he's the devil because it's hard to pinpoint the struggles they have when through, even as a star athlete or just growing up period. They are far less forgiven. Hence SAR yahoo article in response to Ferry.
What they don't get is unlike real life where they have all the advantages and Blacks well don't, in the NBA, this is a Black dominated sport. So they have options here. You can't say reckless shit and think ppl will be cool with it. So what we have is an epic problem which White guys don't see because they are use of the world revolving around them and Blacks clearly see it, even the ones who love to kiss whites asses for pats on the head. This is a major problem and as you mention, we were already like a ugly girl at the prom, now we are the ugly girl at the prom with a STD. Good luck getting a date. I tried to compare whites in GA voting for Blacks and democrats to make them understand but their mindset refuses to let them see that do to their use of supremacy. You see why I rarely go into race here even when most of the issues here revolve around race. You solve nothing in the process since they don't want to change or understand because it usually benefits them.
This is a major dynamic of HS we almost never talk about and for many reasons.
This isn't a demographic issue, it's an ideology issue. I'm a 28 year old black male who feels like Ferry's comment was taken out of context by the snake Gearon. While punishment and sensitivity training should be necessary, I am very against Ferry's termination for such a minor offense. I agree with Dolfan that this thing will blow over by the middle of the season.
Of course, it's obvious that you are biased and wanted Ferry gone before this event even occurred, so I'm sure it is no trouble at all for you to jump onto the "FIRE FERRY!" bandwagon.
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Personally I am beginning to have strong doubts the Hawks will get either one of these players (I seriously hope I am wrong!) but if you could choose one of them who would you pick? I would be very happy with either one of them but due to their age difference and the fact that I think the Hawks are in more of a need for a Center I would personally take Monroe. Right now I will be happy if they could sign Jordan Hill!
I never really understood this thought that the Hawks are "So in need of a center". We have one of the best centers in the league, yet our starting 3 is DMC.
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Haha.............
Great shotblocker = 1.0 bpg the last couple of seasons? I would take a look at him, he can rebound and defend but he is not 6-10. I think Asik would be better and a legit 7-0.
Heck I'm for looking at all the prospects at center, there are not many out there.
HOT DIGGITY DOG! The most important aspect of a center is not their track record, but their height....well, WE'RE IN LUCK!
We have a 7 foot center on our roster RIGHT NOW!
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This is a wing draft. I'd try to move Lou's expiring and our second for say #22-25 and draft LaVine and a nice SF; maybe G Robinson III. Add a decent C that can board and maybe score a bit. If we can get the C we want to man the spot with Horf, or move Horf to PF, why wait?
Millsap's contract will expire at the end of next season and we'll have room to sign a 2015 FA even if we spend the 10-12 million on a FA this year.
My (realistic) dream off-season:
C / Bebe
Horf / Millsap / Muscala
Carroll / GRIII / Scott
Korver / Lavine / Jenkins
JT / Schro / Mack
Who's the C? I don't care if the C starts or comes off the bench with Horf and Sap starting, just need a quality C . Bebe is likely 2-3 years from being an impact, quality C. Why not draft wing and sign a C?
You'd put our allstar PF Millsap on the bench?
That sounds like a terrible idea.
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Imagine if we had just tanked out of the playoffs, talk about a blow to our team. We are finally getting notice around the league!
HAWKS IN 7!
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I'm not a "Hawes fan"...but I do like the name "Spencer"...nickname "Spence"...a great name for a lawyer or doctor....sounds smart.
That has to count for something...
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Who was available that you wanted?
Pfft, we missed out on the biggest big signing of the 2013-2014 class of free agents............JASON COLLINS. BRING HIM HOME FERRY!
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Your obsession with him has to stop, it's getting comical... Lol.
We need a closer more than anything.
Melo?
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Why should hawes be a backup he's a good starter. This nba league don't have a bunch of scary centers to force hawes to the bench of any team. To me he's worth every dime.
But then you're moving Millsap to the 3 when he gets taken off the dribble by slow ass West.
No thanks.
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67 ORtg and 107 DRtg. He should be riding pine!
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A starter!
-hesitates on open shots
-terrible finisher at the rim
-defense isn't great
BUT....I still hope he's a hawk next season because he's a very decent bench player! But I must say for the hundredth time, if we are going to continue to play this spread 5 offense and let it be apart of our identity we need a sure knock down 3pt center like Hawes!
You see eventually you guys are going to agree with me that hawes should be in Atlanta next season. I get you want a gortat or asik but guys like that aren't realistic opportunities for the hawks.
Spencer Hawes will be a hawk next season and us hawk fans will like it.
I'd much rather have Melo. We already have an extremely strong player at the 5, why get another?
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Hell at least Josh would hit a 3 every once in a while...
At this point unless we are talking arm wrestling there's no way I trust Pero to come through.
V = Pero
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Am I in the twilight zone? We lose a close game and we aren't playing playoff basketball.
Against the 1 seed, no less.
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I was referring to simple defensive errors which can be easily corrected contributing to the lost. On the other hand no matter how much we complain, we can't make Pero a better player
We can definitely make him a more consistent bench-warmer.
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Great playoff basketball.
Post of the night.
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Link?
Sorry I guess EBrand was better too.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2014_EC1.html#IND-ATL
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If PG gets suspended, we will cream Indy.
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Are you serious? Who do you think he's been guarding? Hibbert?
Other than Paul Millsap and Sweet Lou, Korver has had the best DRtg on our team for this series.
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There is no freaking way you guys are going to convince me that Korver had bad defense in any game in this series. He has been HOUNDING his man on EVERY defensive assignment.
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Oh I'm sorry did the Hawks not choke win this game??
And u can call it an emotional tirade if u want, but the Hawks have always let the fans down and I'm sick of it
And then the fans get blamed for the hawks being complete failures all the time
I'm sick of it, if ur not that's on u. But if ur not mad like I am ur not obsessed with winning like I am. U don't know nothing about this obviously
Your name makes a lot of sense.
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We really had a shot at this win. Doing well - and up in the 2nd half.
Pero can no longer hit the side of a barn so change things Bud...not like he stopped hitting shots last night.
Offense without Millsap in looks like feces. Say all you want about Teague but without Millsap in as a threat they just corner him or go on help defense immediately if he moves towards the basket.
Without Pero doing much I would play EB a lot more next game. Maybe Indy gets all smug and EB can do some business.
But wow...can't really blame the refs entirely on this one...we shot 35%...they shot 48%.
This was a big chance missed.
Hate to see our Hawks miss chances like this...we work so hard to get the few we get.
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Elton Brand was terrible, he had the lowest +- out of any hawk on the floor. The problem is, he takes away our mismatch at center and slow down our pace.
7 minutes 0 points 1 rebound 1 asst. No thanks.
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This is the most important game of the year for us tankers...If we win this sucker it's all but over
Hawks: 31-36....7-3 last 10
NYKnicks 29-40....8-2 last 10
This is where we find out if our ownership is CHEAP..CHeap..cheap.
If our "ASG" wants us to win this game we know they need playoff money.
Just because the ownership group might not have the same teambuilding philosophy that you do doesn't make them "CHEAP..CHeap..cheap"
Melo: Free agents will spurn Hawks
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I do think they will be. I'm sure GMs do whatever they can to persuade players to sign with their team rather than a rival team. The efficacy of this tactic is what I question.