Josh and Joe BOTH shy away from physical play, but especially Joe. Joe averages what 3 FT's per game? And one being a technical freebie. This team is soft, weak, and only a few play with any heart. I think Teague is intimidated and becomes passive. Marvin is Marvin. Josh makes some bad plays but wants to win. Joe hits a big shot every now and then. Teague shows signs of stardom then retreats. Even Marvin gets it right from time to time. But it's easy to give up on them. I've been doing it for years.