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Thinks we'll take Andrew Nicholson. Also says we have White, Sullinger and Nicholson as our top three on the draft board. We pass on Melo, Quincy Miller, Wroten and Draymond Green. I say bull.

Melo, Wroten, and Miller are all overrated. Green isn't a fit and Andrew Nicholson brings alot to the Hawks in terms of rebounding, shooting, tough defense, and high BBIQ.

Dan Ferry has really made the Hawks become interesting again.

I don't like Drummond's worth ethic and attitude. But he's the best center in this draft so, sign me up! Maybe we could get Ty Evans or Chuck Hayes for fillers.

Joe in Charlotte.. That could help sell tickets there, with Joe lighting it up for 3. If I was Charlotte, I wouldn't mind taking on his contract.

Maybe we send them teague for the #2, if we somehow land Gasol. Then we go out in free agency to sign D.J. Augustin for about 2 million, and go from there.

Nah, I don't think we have enough assets to land the #2, so pass.

The first round pick that they want is a deal breaker.

If we do indeed trade for him, we need to heavily watch the olympics to see what he still has.

SO small ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't see it happeining, I see us better with Houston than with LA.

And he would cost us a first round pick, which doesn't make sense, because they should be giving us their 2nd round pick.

OH NO. THEY WANT THE #23. NOPE WE CAN'T RISK DOING THAT.

Even if we get Gasol, who's playing at the small forward position/shooting guard position? I hope LA has a trade exception to give us.

The Lakers better eat about 20 million of his contract or we ain't trading. I would also want a future first or second as well.

wouldn't* for my last post.

With the news that Ferry might want to shake things up how about Smoove and Joe for Noah and Deng?They get their 2 to put next to Rose and a borderline All star 4We get a real center and an all star SF

The bulls are smart enough not to fall for Joe and his contract. They are in terrible cap space so it would make sense to have 90 million dollars to pay in over 4 years to Joe.

Who's going to replace Dalembert? They're probably not going to re-sign camby, so I don't see why he would be waived by houston..

Joe would still be the #1 option. Lowry would be #2. Most of Lowry assist come within the offense like Mookie's. It's not like he is creating anyone shot. Lowry has peaked. He is what he is. A good defensive minded PG who can score and shoot well.

Gah. This is where I don't agree, I believe it should be Al as the #1 option, then Joe, then Kyle. Al needs to finally get his 20-10 season and I believe he can do it after this trade.

Second round.

Wroten goes after the #25 and before the #30.

We won't get Dragic as he is a FA. He would be the one I would want without a question. He can create for others. Al can't create his own offense, more shots won't change that, he would just be less efficient. You have to understand fits and groupings to understand my point. Josh got a lot more shots, in fact he was 7th in the NBA in FGA. He scored 18.8 ppg. That wasn't good at all. If anything our offense would be worse and Lowry will get the bulk of Smoove shots as Lowry can be a bit of a chucker at times.Lowry is not a set up guy, he never has been. Expecting that of him would be false. He doesn't have that skill-set. You might as well hope that Jeff does that. It would be just as realistic as Lowry. We need a playmaker. Just a talented PG is not the fit. Scola would come off the bench and even then he is making 9 mil, that's not bad until you quickly realize this team isn't close to a title and Scola is overpaid. Scola is a solid PF like Glen Davis, Bass, Anderson, and guys like that. He is not respectable enough to make this trade as well as that pick. Not at all. I don't think you understand how important efficiency is. It's the difference between Pau Gasol in Memphis and Pau Gasol in LAL. Makes players go from overpaid to potential HOF.

And what do you mean that Lowry's going to be the #1 option? He only attempts about 10 shots per game. He averaged 6.6 assists per game, but here in Atlanta you have a guy in Al Horford and Joe Johnson who are capable of making shots, and with him utilizing his speed to find people he can easily average 8-9 assists in Atlanta. I get efficiency but i also get potential as well, and Kyle Lowry has alot of it. And it would be at it's maximum in Atlanta.

If we landed Lowry, I doubt ASG would take a PG. If anything they would take Wroten. I can see ASG stupidity a mile away.

At the #14 or #23?

Darn my forgetfullness, I also left out the fact that we have a draft pick. What position should we use it on? I would choose the PG position and I would change Rivers for Marshall, the best true PG in this draft. With the #23 pick, I would either get Jeff Taylor, or Royce White (I would go with Royce because he's more aggressive and he's tough). With the #43 I would get the best avalible talent that's still on the board (Maybe Shooting Guard like Orlando Johnson).

Because our personnel needs a PG who can create. Jeff, as much as he's not a PG. Jeff can defend and score decently. He at least can have near Lowry impact for the Hawks at his peak. Lowry wouldn't make anyone on the team better like Jeff. Lowry is this generation's Mookie Blaylock. Lowry wouldn't really help this personnel grouping. Rondo can create. Big difference. Lowry is better than Jeff. No one is questioning that. But to trade Jeff for Lowry straight up is something you have to think of but to trade Smoove as well is just terrible. Just awful. Atlanta would lose that deal and lose bad. Al would still be the same as well. You don't make a trade without consider how it effect the personnel.

Honestly though, I would think that Lowry is the only talented point guard that we could convince Houston to give us. Again, what other point guard are you seeing can put up numbers like Lowry? You know that guy Josh Smith? You know the guy that would really benefit from him getting out of here? Al Horford. As soon as he leaves, you're talking about Al getting more shot attempts and really seeing the player we selected 3rd overall in the 2007 draft. Question, who was the last Hawk that averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds(I don't really know so im hoping for you to answer that)? Who on this Hawks team has the potential to do that? Joe? Marvin? No, its Horford. All he needs is a talented point guard like Lowry to set him up, and we're getting close to contention. Oh wait, I forgot, the Hawks are also getting a proven power forward in Scola to help compliment the front court. A guy who can give you 16-7, set you good screens, and a good teammate. I know that Smith is better than Scola, but you also have to think that Scola's numbers are respectable for a power forward and it will be beneficial for this Hawks team and the fact that you are getting more production from Horford. This is just the way I see it.

Kyle Lowry isn't the PG we need. He is defensive minded. We might as well stick with Teague if that's your option. This is extremely favorable deal for Houston and bad deal for Atlanta.

How so? What other point guards can rebound, pass, and score (other than rondo)? Don't get me wrong, I love Teague, but Kyle Lowry is better than him at the point guard position. Plus we get a draft pick and Scola. So.... I would think that Atlanta gets the better end of the deal.

Atlanta receives: Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola, and the #14 pick

Houston receives: Josh Smith, and Jeff Teague.

Why Atlanta does it: You get a playmaking point guard in Kyle Lowry, you also get a more consistent power- forward in Luis Scola. He can easily give you 15 ppg and 6-7 rpg. You're also getting a draft pick that can either be used to select Austin Rivers, Tyler Zeller, Kendall Marshall, or Dion Waiters.

Why Houston does it: You are getting one of the best all around power-forwards in the game. He can score, rebound, play elite defense, and pass, and under a different system of basketball he could be a potential All-Star and "MAYBE" be in contention for an MVP award. You are also getting a very good defensive point guard in Jeff Teague. He can get you steals, force opposing guards to shoot bad shots, and he can bring energy to your team with his superb dunking skills.

Who benefits most from this trade: Atlanta

Why: Kyle Lowery is a competitor and he brings it everyday on the court. He's kind of like Rondo but with a decent jumper, he can rebound, score, and find people for easy buckets. Under LD's system of offense, look for him to get 16 ppg, 8 apg, 5 rpg. I don't understand why some people think that Luis Scola has a bad contract. He can score, rebound and shoot 50% from the field. The only flaw that I see in his game is that he doesn't block shots but other than that he's pretty good.

I would think this is a pretty good trade for both teams but Atlanta comes out as the better team after the trade.

New Atlanta Lineup:

PG-Kyle Lowery/Free Agent or Draft pick

SG-Joe Johnson or (hopefully) Austin Rivers/Free agent or draft pick

SF-Marvin Williams or Joe Johnson/If Austin Rivers is not avalible, a draft pick or a Free agent

PF-Luis Scola/Ivan Johnson(Resigned)

C- Al Horford/Zaza Pachulia

I got lazy with the backups so feel free to put in back ups that make sense finacially and production wise.

Please feel free to express your opinions about this trade and whether you like it or not.

Horford is only worth like two NBA players for me which is Dwight and Lebron. Otherwise, he's not even an option. We will lose 99% of deals involving Al. I wouldn't trade him period.

THANK YOU, WHY WOULD YOU TRADE YOUR BEST PLAYER?

yes, sir. Thus why it's called Nuclear Option: Get the ASG to Sell At Last.eliminate all longterm debt beyond 2014 that isn't on a rookie contract and plenty of young exciting guys left on the roster with lots of potential and fit. The intention is that they actually have a product worth selling to another buyer rather than the debt ridden lemon that they have now.

I guess i see your point with that but I wouldn't trade Al Horford. If we could get a true Center he could be a top 5 power forward. Like it or not, he's the Hawks best player and he has alot of potential to be a good leader. Wes Johnson and a lotto pick doesn't even equal to the impact of Al Horford.