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  2. Crunch time benching of Dennis Schröder

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    Posted · Edited by rd79

    I won't actively take part in this (and such) discussion(s any more) but I have a litte fun fact which could make some here smile a bit.

    If I'm not totally mistaken, conditions for Dennis' $2M/year incentives are: reach the finals or become part of an NBA all defensive team...
    So he technically might have signed a $70M deal but will never see more than $62M.
    If I were Dennis I would kick myself once a week for that and would also give Bud (who gave hin that contract) a kick to the nuts once in a while... Maybe "once in a while" happened to be recently :biggrin:

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  6. Official Game Thread: Nets at Hawks

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    26 minutes ago, AHF said:

    This is all true but it remains an area that Dennis needs to keep improving.  He started pretty "hot" on turnovers this season but has backslid the last few weeks towards a number pretty similar to his performance the last few years.  Comparing Dennis to them demonstrates Dennis is much better at ballhandling than either of them but that is such a low bar.  Other PGs are a much better comparison for how good a job he is doing with his ballhandling.  

    True, but nevertheless his +/- (which was discussed here) suffers from his teammates throwing the ball away (and not hitting any shots too often)

    Prince was promising in last year's playoffs but at the moment one could see he isn't capable to fill the role he has now. Yes there are positives like his 3 point percentage, but if he starts a drive to the hoop he often has a tunnel vision and isn't able to adjust the play if necessary. In many such situations Dennis was benched in his early years, I hated it, but it was essential for Dennis' development. Prince isn't treated that way (at least not so much) because he already has another role to fill than Dennis in his 2nd year. We will see if that's the way Prince can grow with his tasks or if he develops bad habits due to missing punishment...
     

  7. Official Game Thread: Nets at Hawks

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    29 minutes ago, Watchman said:

    Here's a little help for you.  "What's not to like?" is a compliment. 

    My criticism was not based on one game.  He has a higher turnover per minute ratio than Baze, Prince, Taylor and Delaney and they make bucket loads of bad passes.  Not to worry though, Bembry and Plumlee are worse.

    Of course he has, he is the primary ball handler....
    Dennis, Baze and Prince are the team leaders in touches and turnovers

    player | touches | assists | TOs | A/TO | TO/touch
    Dennis | 91.2 | 6.5 | 2.9 | 2.2 | .024
    Baze | 52.3 | 3.3 | 2.4 | 1.4 | .046
    Prince | 46.7 | 2.3 | 2.3 | 1.0 | .049

    If you watch this stats, do you still want to tell me Dennis is the most turnover prone of them?
    Baze and Prince turn the ball over double the amount as Dennis does per touch and that without having the playmaking responsibility...

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  8. Schröder watch

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    19 minutes ago, Packfill said:

    Not so sure about 5th given there are people that would place greater value on guys like Otto Porter, CJ McCollom and Steven Adams.  Certainly top 10 though.

    It's exactly the four mentioned at first + Otto Porter and Steven Adams.
    Current ReDrafts have Dennis at 7

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  9. Official Game Thread: Nets at Hawks

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    Posted · Edited by rd79

    1 minute ago, Lurker said:

    By NBA people, I don't mean fans.

    I mean executives.

    Executives wouldn't want him if he was on the block and wouldn't want him for anything.

    That's why he's going to be an Atlanta Hawk through this year and likely next. Everyone would be absolutely shocked and big time disappointed at what his value was in this hypothetical game.

    sources?

  11. Official Game Thread: Cavaliers at Hawks

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    7 hours ago, hazer said:

    Who was poopooing the Hawks with metrics this pre-season saying we’d only score in the 80s using those analytics? Mmmm hmmmm. Add ONE good player to this squad and we beat the Cavs tonight. And prolly those 75% of games this season we were either tied or led in the 4th. This team isn’t that far off. Back in the playoffs in 2019 I say... 

    Not losing Collins could have been enough to do so...

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  14. (Un)Official Game Thread: Clippers at Hawks

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    Posted · Edited by rd79

    45 minutes ago, AHF said:

    What is the connection between Bembry returning rusty from injury and pro-tankers?  He was a non-tanking pick that has a lot of growth needed who we should all be cheering for to make that leap.

    No connection. Only two seperate thoughts in a single post.

    1. I don't see the potential others see in Bembry, yet - but of course he should get some time to find his form after injury...
    2. I just would like to know if pro tankers watch this team losing all the time. Because people quitting on watching their team while losing, even watching other teams instead and then return when the tank pays off wouldn't be considered fans on this side of the Atlantic, especially if they are the ones who demand the tank. But I tried to ask without offending anybody...
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    Schröder watch

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    Posted · Edited by rd79

    This Bleacher Report article lists Dennis as the 6th best isolation scorer of the league (behind Harden, LeBron, Durant, Oladipo and Austin Rivers)

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    Isolation plays can be some of the most exciting possessions employed by any NBA offense. 

    Are they the most effective? Of course not, which is why many defenses are structured to force extra passes and compel the opposition into attempting an isolation attack. But they're still thrilling, whether a smaller player is dazzling with his dribbles before attacking the hoop or a bigger man is backing his way toward the basket before hitting a turnaround jumper. 

    Some excel in these one-on-one situations, while others struggle so excessively that they shouldn't ever be granted another isolation opportunity. It's the first group with which we're concerned today, and we're not leaning on reputations. Only what's happened in 2017-18 matters, allowing us to remain entirely objective. 

    We'll use Kyrie Irving as an example, since last year's premier isolation player has been thoroughly average—in this play type only, not overall—during his first go-round with the Boston Celtics. As a result, he will not be appearing in this countdown. 

    Heading into games on Nov. 20, 296 different players had embarked upon at least one isolation endeavor during the current season. They'd combined to score 3,616 points on 3,971 possessions—a lackluster 0.911 points per possession that indicates why this play type should so often be avoided by all but the league's most lethal scorers. 

    Irving, meanwhile, had produced 60 points on 62 isolation attempts—0.968 points per possession. A league-average isolation threat would've theoretically put up 56.48 points with the same workload as the C's floor general, so Irving's production is marginally positive. 

    A score of 3.52—his actual points minus the hypothetical points of the league-average player—is nothing to be ashamed of; it's just not quite enough to sneak into the top 10. In fact, it pushes Irving down to No. 30, and that's a placement he'll surely leave in the dust as the sample grows larger and he moves closer to last year's league-leading mark of 87.91. 

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      6. Dennis Schröder, PG, Atlanta Hawks: 10.33

      Isolation Possessions: 60

      Isolation Points per Possession: 1.08

      Speed, speed and more speed. 

      Dennis Schröder's isolation possessions don't contain much nuance. Once he gets a matchup he likes, he's going to put his head down and the ball on the floor, then explode toward the hoop with all the acceleration he can muster. The German point guard is one of the league's quickest players in the half-court set, and this is where he truly shines. 

      Just look how easily he gets by George Hill for an uncontested layup. And that's against a guard known, in part, for his defensive chops. If he forces a big man to switch onto him, he's either going to blow through the defender (sorry, Ryan Anderson) or jet past and then slow down to seal him behind for a relatively clean finish (your turn, John Henson). 

      Couple those wheels with finishing touch and a penchant for reverse lay-ins, and you have a potent isolation weapon.

      The Atlanta Hawks have also fully unleashed Schröder in 2017-18, turning to him more and more to compensate for the offseason departure of Paul Millsap to the Denver Nuggets. He's tasked with initiating a disproportinate amount of the offense, and 19.5 percent of his plays fall under the isolation umbrella—up from a relatively meager 11.1 percent last year and 6.9 percent in 2015-16. 

      Apparently, that trust is paying off. 

      This score isn't merely the result of a volume uptick, since Schröder is also scoring at—rather easily—his highest clip of the SportVU era, which encompasses these last three season. In fact, if he maintained this exact rate and the Hawks ran every possession as a Schröder isolation, their 108.3 offensive rating would tie the Indiana Pacers for No. 5 in the league-wide hierarchy. 

         

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      3. Schröder watch

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        4 hours ago, marco102 said:

        I'm a big Dennis supporter, but this was still not one of his best games. I would like to see him get his teammates more involved when they are hot.  He will definitely get his when they are not.  That's my only complaint about tonight and the 5 turnovers.  I believe this is his turn the corner game to get back to what he was doing at the beginning of the season. I just want to see the young fella to continue to improve.

        I think he had some hockey assists too (no data yet) He had some real nice passes but didn't realized the opponent had figured them out at some point and that's why he threw away the ball 3 times in a row. If he had stopped these passes after the initial turn of this squence I would have been absolutely fine with his game.
        And of course it's much easier to get his part of the scoring if his mates have to be respected to. Can't complain about 8/12 FGs

      4. The Tank Thread

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        2 hours ago, AHF said:

        The two most recent ones are Cleveland and Golden State.

        Cleveland tanked in the most shameless fashion.  Golden State did like we did - sold off good players who wouldn't be the right pieces to win big.  They outright strategically tanked to keep lottery picks but for the most part did like we are doing in trying to win but making sure the talent isn't good enough until you've drafted your core.

        It think he meant more like: How many made it and how many tried?

      5. Anti-tank-thread

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        Posted · Edited by rd79

        How many teams didn't get a chip despite drafting a star? (Okc drafted even three) And how many teams failed to draft a star despite picking deep in the lottery?

        Tanking is a lottery and I don't see the chances much better than developing players in a winning environment like the Hawks were before two years... The only thing you know for sure while tanking is to see a lot of awful basketball and losses... A team with such a low fan support like the Hawks may even be moved if they draft some busts and this tank fails, to a place where fans are waiting desperately for a basketball team...

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      7. Official Game Thread: Hawks at Wizards

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        Wow this was really ugly. But this game shows how being disrespected by the refs destroys a game. Dennis not getting calls doesn't only mean missing points from the line, it also takes away the chance to find his shooting rythm on the line in such off nights. And Collins getting the full non-star-rookie-treadment by the refs destroys the game as well. He is called for things nobody else in this league is...

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