DS17Fanboy

Well Dwight tried some fancy passing...plz Dwight dont do that any more.

Also officiating sucked again. In many of our late losses it did. Specially late game. Also the Howard/Len rebound situation whas nothing.

vor 13 Stunden, AtlHomer sagte:

One's income and/or profession does not permit others to be disrespectful and get personal with comments.  It's OK to boo or jeer him for his performance on the court however most other things are out of bounds. 

Yeah, I'd love me the 1950's back as well.

vor 1 Stunde, NBASupes sagte:

While what you said is true, how many possible good shots are we passing up? Not many.

I'd say both of you are right. Its a whole lot of both.

vor 6 Stunden, Diesel sagte:

Where are the assists that we ought to be getting?

 

Im sorry, we're putting up less assists than last year and last year.. we pissed and moaned about our PG play. 

We have more bad passes than last season.

I'm not evaluating now.. it's just watching us piss away a win over some hero ball has gotten me pissed.

Obviously Bud called that play as he did the one after that with Baze. Play whas interrupted and these are typical young player crunch-time mistakes, not having the swag to be creative after that.

vor 5 Minuten, macdaddy sagte:

Well Humphries provides most of those so we have our answer.

Liked for the laughs.

vor 4 Stunden, NBASupes sagte:

The starters simply don't fit. The bench came through 

Imo, the starting line-up actually is prone to excell in playoff type games like these vs the ones we had last years, if they can get it together and I think last night they showed for large parts that they can. It is a line-up with 4 spescialists that in theory should be able to be good at setting and adapting pace. The bench is playing much more like previous Hawks years, but they cant play in slown down game. We should have won and we would have if we had a little more production out of Korver and we didnt have such bad officiating again.

I would also like to hop on the bench Korver bandwagon, but I get what Bud wants from the Dennis/Baze/Korver/Howard line-up. If only one of the two wings could create some of the dribble....would mean less TO's for Dennis as well. And Dennis, plz work on some type of a hard-stop hookshot or something.

Comes with earning millions of dollars for playing a ball-game.

Officiating whas awful and Millsap actually played like Millcrap(first time I say it like that). I really think he had an LA orgy or something the night before.

Everyone keeps telling how all Rudy Gay's teams sucked, but SAC does so all by itself for over a decade and is just odly managed and Toronto whas still building and looking where and who to go to forward. They had no need for another scorer on the wing. I'd welcome him.

vor 4 Minuten, Thomas sagte:

Before the season I thought Dwight would help Kyle out by creating more space for him but there's a lot more to it than just his shots and there hasn't been any good chemistry there. 

Yeah, there definitly is work to be done all over. I think its time to stop experimenting on forcefeeding Howard and work on sharpening his pick-setting toolbox. You often see allot of willingness early in these bad games to swing the ball, but those efforts are often going nowhere once Baze and Korver run in to bad spots without help. Howard would be so much more valuable imo in a more humble role, setting picks, rolling to the basket and grabbing rebounds. As much as I like him, I just dont see him having very good hands even if the pass towards him is not a TO, he often fumbles the ball or makes odd looking moves. There isnt a high percentage play going on there.

Dennis took so many shots because thats what Quin Snyder gave us, knowing Dennis is off in many ways lately. Only normal he took them. I didnt see bad shots from him, outside maybe 1 or 2.  Shame on him though that he didnt make more of those high percentage shots.

vor 8 Minuten, benhillboy sagte:

I didn't see the game but obviously thrilled with Dwight's performance.

I cannot get on board with the "give them time to gel" argument as an excuse/reason for the awful ball protection.  Bud is only a couple years removed from COTY and these players are making more money than ever.  Starter or not, Dennis is a vet now.  People from all sorts of vantage points have noticed that the offense runs much smoother under Delaney.  That's unacceptable.

OK, Im bothering with this nonsense. Firstly, I will only say this: you are talking apples and oranges in various ways. Then, everyone knew from the get-go that "it would take time to gel". Thats not some thing that is debatble, even if you believe in it or not.

And here we are 10-5. And if you had seen the game you'd know Dennis also shut Teague/PnP Turner down. Dennis has a completely different role and is under different coaching demands than Delaney.

The issue adressed regarding Korver compounds when you include Howard. These are two very specialist type of players that can only be fed in very limited ways. I said it before, but yesterday you could really see it clearly when Darvin Hamm whas having a big argument with Howard as Dennis shot the Tech: the starters are trying really hard and often against the odds, to try to string together plays that take full advantage of these specialist type games and come out sharpened at the end of year. I have to compliment them on that, but I see some dark clouds rising in the Dennis/Howards relationship. Hamm whas on Howards back after not rolling to the basket and Dennis taking a  frustrated bad shot early in the clock after that failed PnR.

And I said it before: Dennis is basically regressing right now and thats mainly because he has a knack for acting like a kid after failure. Its tough to be in his seat on this project right now, but he has to not give away such possessions because it signals unproffesional behavior and you dont want that as a young kid who's given team leadership. Team-mates hate that and these things will only haunt him, also in his own head.

The bench put them over the hump in allot of wins, but the starters(- Baze) where all +. That qualifies as "carrying" in my book too. Though Im not sure what your reply has to do with mine.

Dennis has 3.1 TO's a game, Teague 2.8. Hardly that great of a difference. And Teague has Ellis to play the human wreckingball role along with him being at 2.9 TO's. Nvm the defense.

vor 5 Stunden, QuantumHawkz sagte:

They can't go around him, so they go through him. DS17 needs to hit the weights.

Everyone on the Pelicans set really good picks, specially Cunningham. I dont know how we cant. All these D-league players on the Pells seem to be eager to put in yeoman's work though. But yeah, Dennis whas beat fair and square misjudging fakes on some occassions as well. But the majority they just outeamed us, with things like those picks.

His parents already gave him the nickname...

vor 6 Stunden, AHF sagte:

Forcing bad perimeter shots will never help you penetrate more effectively.  They just make your opponent want to keep doing whatever generated that terrible forced shot.  

 

On  Dennis as a whole, I expect some real up and downs for him this year.  No individual game is going to cause me to hit the alarm bell.  What I want to see over the course of the season is progress and continued improvement and consistency.  He should be notably better to end the season than he was to start it.  Along the way he will have some rough games and some brilliant ones.

Im not saying its the way to go, Im explaining why he takes 2/3/4/5 bad shots in some games. It is to penetrate and it is usualy after open shots did not fall. Then I went on about his mentality and we needs to stop that. But nvm.

vor 5 Stunden, thecampster sagte:

Somebody needs to grab Dennis by the ears and say, "penetrate, penetrate, penetrate until they are forced to lay off of you". It isn't how much he shoots that's killing me, it is how much he is forcing the shot.

The reason he forces those are exactly to pentrate more effectively. I heard away announcers talking about his "improved shooting, also from 3", so thats really what you want for the long haul: people starting to respect your shooting pre-game already or early in the game to set the tone. As such that threath for defenses makes penetrating easier. However he missed wide open 3's early in the game last 2, so I guess that upset him, forcing the issue later on and made penetrating allot more difficult. In such games he just needs to relax and just get others involved and wait for the moments.

That being said, I think the issue is not "unwillingness" but experience and level-headedness. Sometimes you can clearly see this being an issue, like that deep covered 3 he shot early in the clock, because guys didnt move like he wanted to. He looses his cool to often and starts being a negative nancy.

Last years he played most of the time along Al Horford and they clicked really well. Whenever plays with Korver/Bench didnt pan out their two-man game usualy salvaged the possession. He played a bit less alongside Millsap. So what we have is a group of starters, of whom 4 are spescialist type players, who really need to work things out. And thats not easy, even for pro's. You can also hear this from interviews from Bud or the round bald guy, stating things like trying to involve new plays each game. Like those weaves towards the post Dennis got stuck up in with his butt sticking out proteceting the ball. The plan obviously is to get Howard much more involved in the offense than he has been in the recent past. And so this often doesnt work out as well as planned and you get Howard making bad shots as well.

We did win allot of games and the talent-level of the starters has allot to do with that, so that isnt the issue. Im however worried about seeing little progress, but a bit of regress. But I guess thats also part of what it takes.

Dennis, this is for u.

Darknesess....

vor 16 Stunden, cam1218 sagte:

I feel like the blown lead had a lot to do with the bench getting hot and a tired starting unit not being able to sustain their momentum. A win is a win though! Not that it matters too much, but we are first in the east about 14% into the season. 

What are some of you guys even seeing? The starters went right on making it a 24 point lead, where the bench left it at 15. Despite all its glory after that 19-0 run, once bench came in again in the 3rd, that lead went away fast. This is a game of stretches and no way in hell would the Bucks continue shooting like they did in the entire first half of the second quarter where they made 0,00 points. What wins games are not stretches back and forth, but wrapping games up does. But "feelz"...

I can only envy having such worries...

Howard whas injured...It whas actually the way to go because there whas no way of going toe to toe with them on the glass after that. So we made them run, Whiteside didnt do much, ran out of gas and had to be taken out later as well. And btw, Dennis boxed him out brilliantly a couple of times offensevily and defensevily without fouling in that stretch. Really, without Howard we have to play much like the old way. Not that that is not worriesome.

Bench are allround type of players(THJ, Muscala/Millsap, Hump, Thabo, Delaney). Starters have more specialists type players(Dennis, Korver, Howard, Baze). Of course getting that to gel is very very very different. But whatever...