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21 hours ago, High5 said:

It appears the Marlins weren't enjoying the highlights. If someone was going to get mad and hit Acuña I wish it was the Phillies. Our hatred is wasted on the Marlins. 

 Bunch of sad-sack losers

Ronald Acuña is the national news story in baseball this week.  Braves are leading their division and have a fair shot at landing the #1 seed in the NL

Well this post sure rings true today.  Sark is coaching college ball against a pro defense.  Horrible hire that the Falcons doubled down on.  What a waste of one of the most expensive offenses in the league.  It’s like buying a brand new Bugati and chucking the keys to a 13-year-old.  

The Len signing could be sneaky good.  He’s still young, and while he isn’t the star center you hope for at #5, he’s a pretty effective player.  Classic value signing 

On 7/21/2018 at 8:15 AM, Spud2nique said:

Carmelo Anthony is the single most overrated high profile athlete in the history of the NBA. He’s the Arod of ?. 

There’s no such thing as ball-sharing in baseball, and therefore, no such thing as an offensive black hole.  ARod was not overrated.  I can’t stand him, but I have to correct an absurd comparison.  

11 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Dennis is not a really good player though.  He's an inefficient shot chucker that doesn't do anything else at an acceptable level.

Dennis is a great penetrator.  He looked worse in our offense because we had no other playmakers so 3 players would collapse on him.  With Westbrook and George he will increase his efficiency.  

Just now, KB21 said:

What's very clear, or should be very clear, is that the Hawks impetus to do this trade has more to do with getting rid of Dennis Schröder and less to do with getting that pick down the road.

Yes, that is the point.  We wanted to dump Dennis without taking back a long contract.  Mission accomplished.  I think this trade works well for OKC and we could’ve argued for lesser protection, and I can’t shake the sense that Schlenk has let two trades involving a future pick get dictated to him on the other team’s terms. 

So we traded Dennis for a 2022 first rounder that likely becomes 2 second rounders based on OKC’s contention window (namely George’s contract).  

It seems to me that you either give heavy protection or push the pick off for 4 years, but not both.  

From where I’m sitting it looks like Schlenk is a poor trade negotiator.  That bodes very poorly for us.  

On 7/17/2018 at 11:46 AM, KB21 said:

None of those situations were true tanks.

Lol

11 hours ago, KB21 said:

That culture got the Hawks to the Eastern Conference finals, and had they decided not to tank, they would be in the drivers seat in the East this coming year.  Unlike some of you, I don't consider what the Hawks have done the past 10 years to be nothing.  I consider what they did this past season to be an atrocity though.

And our best player on that team was a player drafted #3, acquired via tanking.  

I’d like to see these guys play against NBA talent before anointing Schlenk. It’s a massive jump that has scuttled many a projection over the years.  My gut says Huerter and Spellman will be good value at their spots, but it will mean little if Trae Young is just an average PG while Doncic is All-NBA.  The draft hinges on Schlenk’s being correct in that very controversial and unpopular decision.  The consensus said take the player who fell into your lap.  His move was bold and risky (and I will always say he could’ve squeezed Dallas for more), but he has to be right for this to be a defining draft.  

4 hours ago, Final_quest said:

Signing JJ wasn’t the problem.  It was drafting wrong at the top of the lottery.  If we draft Chris Paul then you have an elite backcourt, but we missed on a lot of other picks, too.  

No disagreement.  BK let his vision (longth!) dominate better judgment.  But I do think the move for JJ lowered our ceiling, especially since we ended up trading Diaw and Rondo for the right to bid against ourselves and overpay him.  But he was and still is the biggest player acquisition since Deke, and I really did like him as a player and person.  

AHF being diplomatic as always.  Buzzard, it’s impossible to really say what someone’s ceiling is, but the ceiling you’ve imagined is impossible for any player, much less a slight, 6’1” PG.  There’s no amount of hard work and tenacity that can make a player a physical or athletic freak if he’s just not.  Might as well say that his ceiling is the shot blocking ability of Deke and if someone argues with you protest that you said *potential* and not expectation.  

2 hours ago, Final_quest said:

It’s funny to me that people feel like they can legitimately state how long it will take to get to the playoffs again.  What if in our last rebuild we never signed Joe Johnson?  

It’s impossible to know what players land here.  Therefore impossible to know how long a rebuild will take.

1) Signing Joe Johnson made us top out at mediocre.  

2) It is silly to guess when we will be back to the playoffs with so many unknowns, but the question was how long fans were “willing” to wait.  I say whatever it is, I hope we don’t rush it by signing a “good” player to be our centerpiece like Joe Johnson.   We need stars.  JJ was a great #2 or #3.  

In Al Horford and Paul Millsap, we had two of the top 30 players in the NBA.  Neither can be called a superstar, but they were both underrated.  Put those two with a bonafide superstar, and you have a championship team.  Al just isn't a superstar.  It doesn't just have to do with scoring.  It's just that he did several things well, somethings just ok, but nothing great.  His ability to space the floor is what made him so valuable, but at the same time, his lack of go-to offensive moves and rebounding really kept him from being elite.  You might call him underrated, but the fact that he made a few all-star teams calls that into question, as does the huge contract he got with Boston.  He's been valued very highly in his career, and deservedly.  

It's hard to understand how a guy with his tools can be unsalvageable at 22.  The physical tools are a prerequisite for success, but from there, the mental side is every bit as important.  Look at Hageman for the Falcons.  He was a freak who could've been a Pro Bowl DT for years, but he couldn't overcome the mental shortcomings (I don't necessarily mean intelligence--it can be discipline, tenacity, persistence, humility, restraint, temperance, etc.).  

12 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

Today is my first opportunity to watch summer league.  These games look a lot like the NBA all star game.  The big difference, the all star guys hit their shots.  Things will look a lot different in the NBA season games.  There, they actually have plays that they run.  Also, they game plan for different teams.

Trae impressed me.  Not with his shooting, although he did hit some long threes.  His court vision was apparent.  He has the ability to hand out a bucket full of assists when he is playing with NBA players.  This was apparent when he teamed up with Dorsey and Collins.

This season, instead of having those three veteran NBA players on our roster that we moved, we have three teen agers.  Therefore I expect us to be worse the 1st half of the season as these three play and learn.  Then, in the second half, I believe we will be better.

Hi Mule.  Been some years.   How you doing?

6 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

whatever dude

I’m not a super frequent poster, but I read enough to know that several people have said the same thing to you (AHF for one, and boy—if he criticizes you, as measured as he is, you know you earned it).  I think you should slow down a little and read posts more carefully before firing off a contrarian reply.  More times than not, you don’t even disagree with the person you’re trying to argue with.  

6 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I think I used words like "Y'all" and "uninformed" but if you want to take it personally...I got nothing for you.

It don’t feel hurt.  I just think you’re being argumentative and looking for a fight, which is your right if you get your rocks off by trolling.  

Just now, Peoriabird said:

Anybody who thinks that we should get rid of Dennis because of his "legal" issues

Then why did you respond to me and rail against my ignorance?

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Y'all do realize that these charges will be either dismissed or reduced right? You guys can't be that uninformed.

Ok, so even more reason not to dump him while the legal issue is hanging over him, as I said.    What are you even arguing with?

7 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

One of my fav songs. Will you be back on, or get on the Trae wagon if he scores 30 tomorrow?

There’s a common thread with a lot of these posts defending Trae—it’s that people are overreacting to a few bad games.  I agree with that to an extent, but a lot of the people who are concerned with just *how* bad he’s been were not happy after the draft (including me, though I haven’t commented on the SL).  I like Trae and I think he will be good (above avg PG), but I think the bad SL is a continuation of concerns that existed in the second half of his historic freshman year. 

Dennis should only be traded if there is a good trade on the table.  If there is a trade that gives us picks and flexibility, I’d take it.  We can pick up a vet PG to split time with Dorsey.  

We shouldn’t dump Dennis though.  He’s a liability right now, but based on his age, there is a chance he turns a corner and becomes an actual asset.  Then you have a nice dilemma.  As it is we’d be selling low bc of the legal issue and likely taking back bad contracts just to move him.  

20 minutes ago, KB21 said:

It's not a straw man argument because it's very clearly the case.  The pro tankers do not care how long this takes.

It’s a straw man because you’re attributing things to me that I didn’t say.  Sentences that start with “so basically” or “so you’re saying” are frequently straw men.  So...most of your posts.  

15 hours ago, KB21 said:

So basically, how long it takes has no bearing on anything then.  So, if the Hawks win a championship 20 years from now, it's because they decided to tank.   I see.

Whoops—there’s another straw man from you (your favorite).