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59 minutes ago, KB21 said:
Oh, next year is going to be worse than this year. And if Bud leaves, then you are looking at a possible 10 win season for the Hawks next year. I have no doubts the Hawks will not be looking to compete for at least 5 years. Like I said, Winter is here.
It will be terrible if Bud leaves, but what makes you think he wouldn’t have been even more discouraged by a capped-out, 35-win Howard/Millsap squad with a worse draft pick?
Most people aren’t as giddy with that type of team as you are. Most of us find it more depressing than what we’ve got.
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@NineOhTheRino You drop some damn truth in your sig
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7 hours ago, AHF said:
Would you have the lottery apply to all spots other than the top 8 teams or only a subset of picks like 1-3 today?
Here is how that system would look:
Draft Slot # chances Odds 1 5 9.3% 2 5 9.3% 3 5 9.3% 4 4 7.4% 5 4 7.4% 6 4 7.4% 7 3 5.6% 8 3 5.6% 9 3 5.6% 10 2 3.7% 11 2 3.7% 12 2 3.7% 13 2 3.7% 14 2 3.7% 15 1 1.9% 16 1 1.9% 17 1 1.9% 18 1 1.9% 19 1 1.9% 20 1 1.9% 21 1 1.9% 22 1 1.9% I’m open. Just spit-balling here. I kind of like those odds you ran. I really do think it cuts down on tanking without sending the #1 pick to the warriors.
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The NBA isn’t a free market. It’s an organization in whose interests it is that all members remain “competitive” despite differences in resources and luck. There is an extraordinarily high barrier to entry into this organization such that no team can be allowed to simply fail and be replaced without major problems.
An example:
teams 1-3 get 5 balls
teams 4-6 get 4 balls
teams 7-9 get 3 balls
teams 10-14 get 2 balls
5th-8th seeds get 1 ball
draw the top 5-10 spots
So with this system there is very little incentive to drop down but the truly elite teams aren’t in the lottery
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I say extend the lottery down to the 5th seeds in the playoffs. Keep it weighted but gradual enough that there’s no great incentive to drop a spot. 5th seeds get a minuscule chance, so no 4th seed team would intentionally lose games to drop to 5th and give up home court. And at least draw spots 1-5 in the lottery if not more.
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If you actually want to start penalizing teams for tanking (which I don't approve of without a formal rule), I think you have to start with Dallas. The owner publicly said they needed to lose and then the team fielded the worst lineup in NBA history in a must-lose game.
If you're going to do it, don't make it too severe, since it's setting a precedent. Maybe just hold them out of the actual lottery but keep their position otherwise.
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1 minute ago, NBASupes said:
Even then Suns matched them with scrubs
The Suns have nothing to gain by losing
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If you want to see a pro tank job, just look at what the Mavs trotted out tonight. They realized tonight's game was too important to win and they started a D-league squad against the worst team in the NBA to make their best effort to lose.
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If you want to see a pro tank job, just look at what the Mavs trotted out tonight. They realized tonight's game was too important to win and they started a D-league squad against the worst team in the NBA to make their best effort to lose.
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Winning the last 3 games to tumble from a tie for #2 to #5 is such a Hawks thing to do that I'm not sure it can be avoided.
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13 minutes ago, AHF said:
YOU CAN GET SAVE/EARN WAY MORE MONEY GETTING THE #1 PICK AND TRADING BACK THAN YOU CAN JUST GETTING THE #5 PICK. This is not complicated. You get greatly reduced expected value at #5, whoever you are targeting is not guaranteed to be there at #5, and even if you want to pick lower in the draft you still want the higher pick for trade purposes ala Boston last year. And $2M is almost meaningless in the big picture. That is less than 2% of your annual payroll saved for passing on the top players in the draft. Schlenk absolutely does not want the team to drop to the #5 pick. That just makes zero sense even if I accept your premise about desiring to pass on the top guys (which itself makes zero sense).
Yeah this is just sour grapes, honestly
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24 minutes ago, bleachkit said:
Today was a disaster. I can't believe we go on a two game road winning streak at the end of the year. It completely defies reason.
Or, it was totally predictable. Look at this team’s history and look at Bud’s pride and competitiveness. We all knew after spending a season in last place we would have a few meaningless wins drop us into mediocre range in the lottery right at the end. We’re just too principled to ever truly tank.
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And here is the flurry of meaningless wins that we all knew would come to drop us from 2nd to 6th in the last week of the season. Hey at least we can look back on this season when Ayton is a HOFer and say "well at least we beat the Celtics"
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16 minutes ago, KB21 said:
After Bud leaves, nope.
Then why even ask your question? You acknowledge the question is meaningless, as is its answer.
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24 minutes ago, KB21 said:
He's going to leave either way, so it doesn't matter.
It doesn’t matter whether we pick 1st or 7th?
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2 hours ago, KB21 said:
This pick being as high as possible is the reason the Hawks are going to lose their already great head coach. Now you have to convince someone to take this job to lose.
Fair point but unrelated. My point is that we should root for Memphis to win. Surely you don’t intend to argue that we need Memphis to lose so that we will pick one spot lower so Bud will say “huh if we’d had the second pick I’d have left, but we got the third pick because Memphis lost, so I guess I’ll have to stay”? Surely not, KB.
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4 minutes ago, KB21 said:
Who is going to be coaching this draft pick after Bud leaves?
Don’t know, but that has nothing to do with needing this pick to be as high as possible.
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Tonight’s Grizzlies-Kings game is big for us. We need the Grizz to win so that we will at least get a tie for 2nd if we lose out.
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14 minutes ago, NBASupes said:
That's not what I saying. I wasn't saying that. I was simply saying that people see elite prospects like Doncic they want to put things on him that remind them of people who look like him when that's not his game. Why the hell are you two coming at me? I literally said his prospect chart is similar to Harden. Every draftnik is comparing him to every white euro to have played in the NBA. Drazen, Toni, Hedo, Peja, etc. That's not me doing that. So why come at me and not the others. It makes no sense to me?
I didn’t single you out. I just didn’t like where the conversation was trending. I’ve seen too many conversations turn nasty over race and politics on sports forums. Just a reminder to give people the benefit of the doubt and not make assumptions about their motives.
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You can’t know what a person’s motivations are in rating Doncic too high or too low, so let’s not speculate about that. It’s just a blind guess about things that are unknowable and it’s divisive. Someone could do a study to see if white players tend to be over-drafted or under-drafted based on career production, and that might tell you something about general biases, but even then, to apply it to an individual as an accusation isn’t wise.
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12 minutes ago, KB21 said:
Doncic would be perfect for Bud's scheme. Think of a 6'8" version of Manu Ginobili with better initiating skills.
Sure. Hope we get him. We need to nail this pick hard.
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26 minutes ago, KB21 said:
Doncic is the best player in the draft, and it really isn't close. He may not go #1, because Andrew Wiggins went #1 after all, but he's by far the best player in this draft.
Don’t disagree and he might go #2, but I bet he is #3-6. Bamba and JJJ could easily go ahead of Doncic bc “you can’t coach height”
Schlenk states we will take bad contracts for picks
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Nobody thinks that.
It isn't necessary to get a "mythical unicorn" in the draft. All that is necessary is to build an interesting core of talented players who fit our system to be competitive gain, but with the flexibility to make trades and sign free agents. If we do that, we will be in a much better position than we were. Now, if we can actually land a franchise talent in the lottery, then all the better.