Bankingitbig

My stream on my phone was cutting in and out, so was hard to follow. Wasn't much substantial information. Schlenk noted that Collins could play some 5 and emphasized Dorsey's ability to be a secondary ball-hander. Collins referred to himself as a forward and said that Paul Millsap is the player that most influences his game. He said he didn't shoot threes in college because it wasn't his role and that he was supposed to dominant the paint. That said, he is confident in his three point shot and has no problem shooting them if that's what Coach Bud wants.

8 minutes ago, Watchman said:

You don't want 23 year old point guards throwing tantrums and dictating personnel issues either.

When has Dennis ever dictated personnel decisions?

What tantrums are you talking about? Are you referring to when he was benched for getting on to Dwight Howard for making a ridiculous outlet pass and turning the ball over instead of doing the smart thing and giving it to the PG that was right next to him?

That is literally the only "tantrum" that Schröder has had that I can think of. Let's not forget this was against the best team in the league and Schröder was playing out of his mind trying to win with his best shooting in a game ever. 23 points in the first half with 4-7 from three. So yea I think I will let it slide... I'd be pissed too if I was playing out of my mind trying to beat the Champions and my Center who doesn't know how to pass throws an awful outlet pass instead of just handing it to me (the PG). Schröder was benched and learned his lesson. Hasn't happened again, move on...

5 minutes ago, Watchman said:

Let him ride the bench then.  Don't accept the other team's garbage and lose 10 spots in the draft order.

I disagree. If you're a new GM trying to establish a culture and you see a player such as Dwight not fitting that culture, then it might be best for the long-term development of your younger players to get rid of him. There is no way you would be able to establish the culture you want with a player like Dwight riding the bench. He still thinks he is superstar caliber and the media frenzy of Dwight being benched would be insane. You don't want that negativity in the locker room.

It is normal for teams to just have their GM introduce the draft picks. That said, in 2013 Bud was on stage with Ferry (man has Bud put on a lot of weight since then). But I wouldn't read too much into this. I think it is probably best for Bud to distance himself from the GM role right now because he likely has talked with Millsap prior to Schlenk coming and told Millsap that he wants him back. Now Schlenk comes and Millsap being resigned doesn't look as certain.

Just now, Watchman said:

Wow.  That is seriously weird.  I don't believe Bud will be here much longer.

From my understanding it is not typical for the coach to introduce the draft picks. It is usually the GM. That said, Bud did not look good when the cameras cut to him. His eyes were redder than normal (which is saying something) and he was not clean shaven at all. I don't expect anything to happen to Bud though for the near-term.

I actually think we should hold onto Bellineli. Put him in our system that has a tendency to make wings look better than their actual value. Then try and trade him at the deadline to a contender that is desperate to add wing depth. Similar to last year with the Korver trade. Korver's value was not a top-10 protected first round pick, but because the Cavs were desperate it gives us leverage.

For those wondering about Bud.

Stretch provision is taking the remaining contract and dividing it over 2x the number of years + 1 year. So in the case of Miles Plumlee, he has 3 years remaining on his $37.5m deal. If you stretch it, then it would stretch over a 7 year time (2 x 3 + 1 = 7) and would count as only $5.36m against the salary cap ($37.5m / 7 = $5.36m),

In my opinion, there really is no reason for the Hawks to do this given our current roster/competitiveness. Rather just take the salary hit now since we won't be contending and try to trade him later when his contract is closer to expiring. Once you use the stretch provision, then you are stuck with that salary cap hit, whereas you could always potentially trade him.

Excited by Collins' offense and think he can extend his range to be a somewhat average 3pt shooter. He needs to increase his defensive BBIQ I think. He has the athletic ability to guard 3-5 I think, but just needs to be smarter on defensive and not always ball watching.

18 minutes ago, Sothron said:

If the Wolves get Pek's salary medically cleared then I'm sure the Wolves could trade someone over to make it work. They aren't trading Rubio. I'd be shocked, flat out shocked, if they traded him after they just dealt Dunn.

Believe they already got Pekovic medically retired three days ago.

4 minutes ago, sturt said:

I thought once the current contract has concluded, a team is able to negotiate freely with its players. But now that you bring it up, I think you're right that we can negotiate, but nothing official can be signed until the official new NBA year begins. And that, indeed, would preempt my working theory.

Just a side note... I had been under the impression that he's informed the team of his plans but... again, a technicality.... the actual player option can't be refused officially until the new year begins. No?

Not entirely sure of the technicality of teams being able to freely negotiate with players that were on their roster prior to free agency. I know they aren't allowed to begin negotiations with other free agents until the Moratorium period begins. That said, I believe most teams work around it in ways and communicate with player agents. For example, Mozgov basically agreed to his deal last year after only like 5mins into the Moratorium period, so obviously they would have had negotiated previously.

Actually, his deadline on the Player Option is today. I believe he has already officially opted out back on May 22.

30 minutes ago, AHF said:

They will have a huge need at PG if they trade Rubio and not much need on the wing.  He would basically be backing up Butler there.

Is there such thing as a backup to Butler on a Thibs' coached team?

38 minutes ago, sturt said:

Ya know, I was thinking about this the other day.... ie, how exactly a SnT would be transacted, and why the heck were we already hearing about possible SnTs before July 1.

My conclusion pending other smarter posters' input is that, indeed, the thought may very well have been, (a) sign Sap to an extension that would pay him max $ (which we can do right here right now if both parties agree b/c he's still under contract with us technically), and (b) trade him to a team under the current CBA rules, which in turn would require less of his new team to send back in return (ie, since his 2016-17 salary is ~$20m), making it easier perhaps to come up with an acceptable trade for both sides.

Am I missing something? I don't think I am, but I might be.

As far as I am aware, we can't offer an extension to Paul Millsap until the second anniversary of his contract signing, which would be sometime during this coming free agency (not exactly sure of the date). Plus, he would have to opt into his player option to be eligible for an extension. He has already opted out to become a free agent, which means he is untradeable until he signs a new contract.

7 hours ago, sturt said:

Schlenk told everyone to take the weekend off, and that they'll start fresh on Monday thinking about free agency.

Not quite sure how that works, because he also said that his people were on the phone tonight trying to sign undrafted free agents.

But regardless, I suppose all of the reported talking was just that... talking, if it actually occurred at all. No Sap SnT. No possible Baze deal. Not even anything late breaking about that supposed attempt to obtain another 2nd round draftee.

It seems a pace that is consistent with, "Don't expect anything earth-shattering between now and July 1."

Sap SnT can't be discussed until July 1. Teams aren't allowed to negotiate with players until then. On Baze, it could also be that teams are just waiting for the Moratorium period and for the new 2017-2018 salary cap. That said, I don't expect a Baze trade.

There are a couple of teams that still have cap space to absorb salaries from Portland if they want. Current it's mostly UTA, DEN, MIN, BKN and PHX with somewhat significant space. I think really only BKN should be willing to take on salary in order to gain a pick. They could take Leonard's contract on for a first round pick from POR.

Doubt Dennis is worth the #5 pick to other teams.

Why in the world would Denver want Baze and to lose five spots in the draft?

Baze will live on the block for the next three years no matter where he goes.

9 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I think we have space under the cap to take on more than we send out.

4 hours ago, thecampster said:

Let me clarify this.  For the purposes of any trade happening before July 8th (ish) we are operating at the 94 million cap number. In that scenario we are 2.5 million under the cap (barring holds etc).

This is true if we renounce the TPE's. Currently we are at $101,241,635, which includes four TPEs of $10,024,776 (Howard, Scott, Williams and Splitter). Those would need to be renounced for us to be operating under the $94,143,000 cap. We would then have $2,926,141 of space if all were renounced, but not entirely sure the value of those TPEs going forward or how Schlenk could use them really.

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

@Bankingitbig  Festus and #26 for Dunleavy works straight up.

I thought it didn't because we would be trading Dunleavy's 2016-2017 salary which is $4,837,500. So could only take back $7,356,250 ($4,837,500 * 150% +$100,000). Whereas Ezeli's salary is $7,400,00. Plus I thought our #41 pick would need to be included to make it worthwhile for them, but I honestly don't know how much they value shedding salary.

1 hour ago, JTB said:

Let's help them out! We have nothing to lose. S&T for ryan Anderson and if need be in the future Anderson can be moved easily due to his outstanding shooting ability 

I don't think moving $20m is that easy considering what just happened with Dwight Howard. I would want a decent amount to take on that contract. More than just a late first.

This guy doesn't know what he is talking about if he considered Howard to be a backup plan for the Hawks when losing Horford... Considering Howard was signed prior to us knowing that we would lose Horford.

Anyways.. I think his D+ grade is a very short sighted grade without looking at the longer-term implications.

I would grade the trade as a C+/B- with upside if we can get an asset for Belinelli at the deadline.

25 minutes ago, ATLien_ said:

Is Dennis a well liked player around the league? I guess we should trade him for fish heads and rice too by that rationale. If you don't think trading a guy 1 year into a 3 year deal will give free agents and agents pause I disagree. If you had a colleague that went to work at another company and they fired him 1 year into the job because they changed direction, then would you be lining up to work there? There's a certain soda company and home improvement company that's headquarter in the Atlanta area that are known for hiring and laying off all the time. They are always hiring yet; I never look at their positions for this simple fact. I'm sure they overpay to get talent, but they don't have a salary cap and we do. Basketball players are humans too with families just like you and I. This is a bad look. 

Not sure what Dennis has to do with this. Dwight not necessarily being perceived as a well liked player around the league is not the rationale for trading him. Don't get it mistaken.

If a known acquaintance of mine, who I thought was a diva and has burned a lot of bridges at past companies, was fired after one year at a new company, would this have any impact in terms of how I viewed that new company? No..... especially when you factor that new company having a change of management from the ones who hired the diva.