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the move at 1:40 even guys like Harden aren't getting that off Doncic knows how to shield the ball from defenders  when driving by using his body which is a very underrated skill to have when your'e not the most athletic. I'm not saying Luka will have Harden's exact game but a lot of the step back elements with a bully inside game using his frame to back down smaller and even larger guards similar to what he does to KP at the :40 and 1:40 marks.

3 hours ago, EazyRoc said:

Eh ? Time stamps please ? I missed that completely.

:40 1:40 2:00 all against or over KP

2 hours ago, EazyRoc said:

This tape is a perfect example of what I’ve been saying. Not saying he will be terrible, but I truly think his ceiling is All star reserve and his floor is very good 6th man.

He drives right past and finishes over 2 nba players 1 that is seen as a future star the other played valuable minutes for a Western conference playoff team he has plenty of athleticism is my only point imo.

8 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So where do you see James Harden in that video?  You made an athletic comparison with Doncic and Harden, and I just don't see it.   I'll agree with EazyRoc in that Doncic's game is more Joe Johnson like than James Harden.  That's not a bad thing either.

I never made the comparison I said a lite version who is a similar athlete you are just saying Harden is a significantly better athlete because he is black

1 hour ago, EazyRoc said:

Regularly to be quite frank. They are two completely different leagues when it comes to first step and speed .

See I’m just gunna have to disagree with you and we will see who is right in 10 years.

24 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rMeNBCWqLY

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-_3IP_2YPY

1 hour ago, EazyRoc said:

Again, his accomplishments are incredible. I can’t take that away from him. He’s not going to be that kind of player in the NBA. Dude can’t beat the guy in front of him consistently without a screen (or two). Even then, he doesn’t have the quickness/speed to turn that screen into a good drive where he can really take advantage of his skills. NBADraft.net gave a really good comparison to Hedo Turkoglu. I see a little bit of late-Hawk Joe Johnson. Except he’s a terrible defender as well. He’d be a good pick in the 10-15 range, but this guy will not be that good in the NBA. Just watch any video (preferably highlights, his best moments) in this context. I was high on him a few months ago, but I realized that he wasn’t really beating the guy in front of him and getting in the lane. Just rewatch whatever tape available. It really opened my eyes.

how often do you see James Harden beat his man in front of him using speed and quickness... I think he is every bit the athlete Harden is. Not saying he will ever be as good as Harden but a lite version is what I see in Doncic

29 minutes ago, Flight said:

 

JJJ has to stay out of foul trouble to be able to play late though..

Collins averaged more fouls per 36 than JJJ as a freshman and it's been relatively corrected in a year I'm not worried.

18 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Slow release, awkward shooting from. Hes gonna be a Horford shooter where he has to have space to shoot without Horford BBIQ, feel for the game, ability to break to make the best decision on the court. 

I dont see this translating like that. I really dont see his offense translating like that outside of dunks.

Feel for game really... Bagley looks lost on defense and was so bad Coach K moved to a 2-3. I'm much more worried about Bagley's defense than JJJ's offense at worst he is Dedmon on offense with DPOY upside and I'm okay that.

3 hours ago, hazer said:

Bagley shot 40% from 3 at Duke...

I don't see 50 attempts as a large enough sample size combined with a low ft% to say the shot will translate. Josh Jackson shot 38% from 3 in college with a low ft% and shot below 30% his first year. JJJ is a significantly more accomplished 3pt shooter and shooter overall shooting a respectable 79% from the line and 39.6% from 3 on nearly double the attempts in much less minutes than Bagley. I think both will be good I just like a defensive big who is a better shooter over rebounding and athleticism. Also love the fact JJJ can play late with the ft% unlike Bagley 62% is straight up terrible.

On 5/20/2018 at 1:54 AM, hazer said:

Developmental and defensive coach. As in turning Simmons into a good defender when he came in as a bad one. Expanding Collins’ and Bagley’s defensive prowess, anyone? He’s not the shooting coach, he’ll hire one if Jent doesn’t stay. And I’d say Bagley at 65% on 2s and 40% on 3s is expanding just fine.

If Bagley shoots 40% from 3 next year I'll eat it but Bagley is a significantly worse shooter than JJJ ft numbers help show that look at Josh Jackson's 3pt% in college. Also wanted to say that I think JJJ is a center in the NBA an Izzo continually played him with Nick Ward which was a bad fit. Izzo isn't a perfect coach they lost with a lot of talent.

53 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

The Hawks organization quit on Bud.  Yet, we want to be rewarded with a #1 pick.

We quit on a guy who took a 60 win team to a team with a negative plus minus each of the last 2 seasons. I like Bud as a coach but rebuilding I believe was and is the right move and if Bud isn’t on board at 7 mill a year he has to go.

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

You ... can't... judge ... Dennis ... in ... a ... tank ... season.

I didn't think Dennis would reach 20 and 7 consistently on a winning team before this year lmao. his 3pt shot is to awkward to ever consistently shoot 35%+ from 3 imo unless he completely redoes his shot.  

10 hours ago, hazer said:

EASY now.

Bud maybe not the best at player development however, it is for sure a strength of his and is why he wasn't let go from the beginning. I agree with KB that Dennis will probably never average those stats consistently on a winning team.

4 hours ago, KB21 said:

Again, Travis Schlenk is the one that decided to tank, not Coach Bud.

no management decided to tank.

1 hour ago, JTB said:

This franchise is a horrible laughing stock my man.

and I thought this new gm and owner had balls...smh...nope they are same as the past and just allows mediocrity.

F*** Schlenk & Ressler 

Give me an example of a president being demoted to just coach and being around long term lol this should have been expected the contract salary is what killed us no one wants Bud for what he was making.

13 hours ago, KB21 said:

I'm not the one that is all over the place.  You criticize the Hawks for making the playoffs without a chance to actually win the title, yet you praise the 76ers and their tanking strategy when they finally make playoffs without a chance to win the title.  This is a 76ers team who was 19-2 against Atlanta, Orlando, Brooklyn, Chicago, New York, and Charlotte, so they beat up on bad teams in the east.  They are 3-9 vs the elite teams in the NBA.  I would think that after spending 5 years in the lottery with all those guaranteed stars, they would be better than that.

Houston was 34-32 in 2011-2012 and missed the playoffs.  They did not tank, went to the playoffs in 2012-2013, and built a championship caliber team a lot quicker than the 76ers, who are not yet a championship caliber team.

Still think they are losing in the first round?

2 hours ago, Sothron said:

lol

lol ok man, I get ya. He could come back but I'm hoping we can ship him off somewhere.

Why do you hope we lose Bud? He is great at talent development and whoever we hire odds are he will be much worse than Bud.

KB still think the 76ers are losing in the first round?

Bud is a top 10 coach in the NBA. If he is gone next season it will be extremely tough to find a coach of his caliber to replace him. IMO arguably the best coach the hawks have ever had. 

35 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Jump on in. Once teams work him out, they will shoot up him their boards. 

My only hesitation is he is literally a better Collins so the fit is terrible Bagley averaged less than 1 bpg in 33 mpg and Collins averaged only 1.1 as a rookie our rim protection would be putrid at best lol.

3 hours ago, JTB said:

Going to be a sad ass day...I hope schlenk don’t let him just walk away 

If he wants out trade him but we need good compensation. Regardless I doubt anything happens until the lottery.

As someone who works for the Braves I can tell you a lot of people are excited about how we are playing but chill we aren't even in first in our conference hell our division right now and Ozzie, Dansby, and Flaherty still have to keep the hot bats with Acuna being the star everyone thinks he can be. Tanking works in all sports but using the braves is bad considering through the 90s they were a top 5 organization and can be made an argument top 3 so the pedigree is there. I do think it would be interesting if the hawks end up with Porter and decide to sit him ala 76ers for a year to maximize the loses next season while he gets with the team and the NBA lifestyle. 

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

No.  That's what his weak mind has been convinced to do.  This is the same owner who said that there was NFW that they were trading Paul Millsap, and then doubled up on it at the end of the season stating that resigning him was a priority.

Dude Grant Hill is a partial owner and on the board I doubt just Schlenk brought the idea. Every owner/GM talks up players like that especially when management is changing. I also believe you don’t build a net worth where Ressler is being weak minded.