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10 minutes ago, KB21 said:

This why this exercise is futile, because no matter what is said about how the team, if kept intact, was a playoff caliber team, those of you who are tank slurpers and think that tanking is the only way you can build a championship team will continue to say it isn't.  

If the Hawks bring the same team back from last year, in this conference where there are only 3 really good teams, the Hawks are a 4-5 seed team in the playoffs.  And on top of that, you would have seen more development and progression from Taurean Prince, better development of John Collins's game, and you may have also been able to salvage Dennis to an extent.

I have asked you MULTIPLE times please say a team that paid a third of the cap to a 33 year old boarderline all star and a 1/4 of the cap to a non all star center that won a championship? Yay Cleveland gets to pound on us some more lol.

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

There's no convincing you, because no matter what anyone says, you won't believe it.   This team was a 43 win team DESPITE the pitiful and inconsistent offense.  So you may want to stop reading now.

The negative point differential is directly attributed to the multiple blowout losses this team incurred, mainly because too many people had the "green light" to shoot the ball in this offense, if they're open.   If you're open, but you have a tendency to shoot bricks, it doesn't matter if you're open.  You're still going to miss.  Maybe if they threw the ball inside a little more often, or take a few dribbles and take an 18 footer that they could make, the offensive efficiency wouldn't have been as bad.

 

IF they brought everyone back ( Howard, Hardaway Jr, Millsap ), this is the squad.

black - returning

green - draft picks

red - free agent signings

 

 

Starters:  ( roughly 88.7 million in salary )

 

PG - Schröder  - 15.5 mill

G - Hardaway Jr - 16.5 mill

F - Prince -  2.4 mill

PF - Millsap - 30.8 mill

C - Howard - 23.5 mill

 

 

Bench:   ( 25.9 mill in salary )

 

PG - Frank Mason  - 0.8 mill - 2017 2nd Rd draft pick ( #31 ) . .  we retain this pick if we didn't trade Dwight

G - Sindarius Thornwell - 0.8 mill - 2017 2nd Rd draft pick ( #48 )

G/F - Bazemore - 16.9 mill

F/C - John Collins - 1.9 mill - 2017 1st Rd draft pick ( #19 )

 

G/F - Bembry - 1.6 mill

PG - Delaney - 2.5 mill

F - Cavanaugh - 0.075 mill - 2-way contract

C - Diamond Stone - 1.3 mill - minimum contract

 

Total:  114.6 mill + whatever exceptions or residual contracts I missed

Salary Cap:  99.1 mill

Luxury Tax:  119.3 mill

 

If the only financial constraint that we're worried about is going over the tax, this is the team that we could field.  As the season progressed, all 3 of those draft picks would be integral parts of the reserve unit, with Mason eventually overtaking Delaney as the backup PG. 

Thornwell, Baze, and Bembry are actually 3 above average defenders to throw at reserve wings.  Either Bembry or Thornwell may be a casualty in the rotation though, especially if Bembry couldn't show the ability to sometimes run the point.   Thornwell has more overall offensive scoring talent, and is just as good of a defender as Bembry.

 

Potential minutes rotation:

PG - Dennis ( 33 ) - Delaney/Mason ( 15 )

G - Hardaway Jr ( 28 ) - Baze ( 8 ) - Thornwell/Bembry ( 12 )

F - Prince ( 14 ) - Baze ( 20 )

PF - Millsap ( 32 ) - Prince ( 16 )

C - Howard ( 28 ) - Collins ( 20 )

 

• Dennis ( 33 )
• Millsap ( 32 )
• Prince ( 30 )
• Howard ( 28 )
• Baze ( 28 )
• Hardaway ( 28 )
• Collins ( 20 )
• Mason ( 15 )
• Thornwell ( 12 )

 

That would be my proposed 9-man rotation.  And that team, if healthy, DEFINITELY makes the playoffs.   

Defensively, we don't take a step back at all, and would still be a top 5 - 10 defense.   

You add 2 rookies ( Thornwell and Mason ) who are OLDER players that know how to play the game correctly.   You add the young stud in Collins, who would get his minutes and learn from two of the better frontline players in the league in Howard and Millsap.  And you'd have 1 more season in which the main core of the team could play with each other.

 

This is at minimum, a 45 - 50 win team that challenges for a 3 - 6 seed in the East.

Lmao we Had a negative plus minus last year why would an owner want to pay $20 mil extra for a team that on paper isn’t significantly better than last year? Stop arguing about tanking Ressler wanted to reset that’s why Schlenk was brought in. Schlenk > Bud imo on the front office side.

40 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Because that is how GMs that tank operate.  They want to prove they are smarter than everyone else and try to do what others have been unable to do....build a team through the draft.

BABHAHAHAHAHA the #1 thing a GM wants is to keep his job so building a winner is the best way to do it. I’m done with you lol remember you said Charlotte > 76ers

49 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Brooklyn made an idiotic move by trading young draft capital for two aging players.  Also, part of that Brooklyn trade was to sell more tickets with big name players.   That backfired too, seeing how high the Nets ticket prices were that season.

Brooklyn was 100% trying to win and they acquired overpaid over the hill non prime vets just like the hawks had on their roster.

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

....and somehow, being on the lottery treadmill is better?

This will be Phoenix's 8th year on the lottery treadmill.  This will be Orlando's 6th year on the lottery treadmill.  This will be Sacramento's 12th year on the lottery treadmill.  This is Brooklyn's 3rd year on the lottery treadmill (sans picks).  This is New York's 5th year on the lottery treadmill.  This will be the LA Laker's 5th year on the lottery treadmill (sans pick).  Charlotte has been on the treadmill for 6 of the past 8 years.  Detroit has been on the treadmill for 8 of the past 9 years.  This will be Denver's 5th year on the treadmill.

So, please tell me if the lottery is such a sure fire way to make your team great, why do these teams continue to draft in the lottery?  The NBA Lottery is like Hotel California.  You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

EDIT: I will also add that Minnesota is currently on a 13 year lottery treadmill streak, and it isn't guaranteed that they will actually make the playoffs yet.  

 

Shut up about Brooklyn. They are not trying to lose they don’t even have their pick. They made a move trying to win like you wanted the hawks to do and it backfired and sent the team into the darkest situation in the NBA. You literally said let’s trade this years pick for vets which is exactly what Brooklyn did look where they are.

Just now, KB21 said:

It would not have been a rebuild had they kept the roster relatively intact, so that question is irrelevant..

What... Name a team from where the hawks were last year that won a championship by paying a 33 year old boarder line all star to a third of the cap and retaining a non all star center that is paid a fourth of the cap and THJ if you want him at 17 mil...

19 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Boston did not completely blitz their roster to bare nothing like Schlenk has done in Atlanta.  Boston did not field an expansion level team.   Boston also went out and brought in veteran players in the first off season they had. 

THEY WON 25 GAMES they didn't want to win! The hawks got rid of 3 starters because they were either overpaid or going to be over paid. Name 1 team that started their build around an overpaid old roster that had a negative plus minus last year.

8 minutes ago, KB21 said:

No, because it is completely irrelevant now due to this incompetent piece of [EDIT: Shinola! ~lw3] we have for a GM.  My pathway is as it always has been.  You are better off maintaining your competitiveness and putting a good product on the court than you are by bottoming out.  Houston is the best example of this..  

But those of you who support compromising the integrity of the game and the spirit of competition who want to attempt to say that someone tanked when they didn't actually tank, continue on.

Boston won 25 games and traded 3 of their 4 best players what is that? The Rockets had a lottery pick that OKC overvalued (Jeremy Lamb) that is how they ended up with Harden.

I want to get back to KB on him taking Charlotte > 76ers nothing he says is valid until he explains lol.

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

And no one has proven me wrong yet.  Go figure.

I agree with diesel.  Those of you who support this atrocious strategy that only guarantees losing, put your balls in your hands and tell me that this path will guarantee that the Hawks are at a championship level within 4 years and the rebuild will be over after two.

Because I have no issues with with stating emphatically that the Hawks will not win for at least 5 years.

Everyone thinks 5 years is an obviously short span to look at especially when you can't even give a path that guaranteed playoffs this year.

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

Karma is strong for those who cheat the system and compromise the integrity of the game and the spirit of competition.

Lmao what did Embiid do to get drafted there? I don't think this is karma (I don't believe in Karma) BUT even so wouldn't it be like the owner being told he has to sell the team or something be karma. Embiid didn't make those trades chill dude it's not cool to pray for injuries or even be happy about them especially when surgery is involved. 

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

Show me the 5 absolutely dreadful, scum of the earth teams like the Hawks, Magic, Bulls, Nets, and Knicks are this year.

The playoff teams are better creating more losses for the lower teams that’s why the West lower tier teams have more losses typically. I would say this Milwaukee team would have 100% beat that Nets team in a series. But let’s go back did you seriously say Charlotte > 76ers

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft back in the beautiful top 2 no more winning! We can't mess this up we have been thrown a lifeline thank you Grizzlies. Ayton an Doncic!

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

It absolutely was better then.  There were only two really bad teams that year.  This year, there are 5 really bad teams.  

The Nets won 38 games the whole season made the playoffs the bucks have already won 39... the pistons are projected for 38 and the Hornets 37 that makes no sense.

4 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I still wouldn’t take Philly’s team.  They are going to get pasted in the playoffs and have a losing record against winning teams.  

The question was who is closer to a championship the 76ers or Charlotte who were 8 games better last year than the 76ers stop avoiding it.

2 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Did I say they were a winning team?   No.  I said they are closer to a championship because they are.  The Hawks are an expansion level team that has no hope of winning in the near future.  

Well the 76ers this year may wind up with 50 wins and were worse than Charlotte last year does that mean you would have taken their team over the 76ers because that is 100% what you are saying.

12 minutes ago, lethalweapon3 said:

MEMPHIS BEATING PORTLAND

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

MEMPHIS BEATING PORTLAND

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

~lw3

8 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Nassir Little may be one to watch for the 2019 draft.  The Hawks will be picking high again, and he looks like he can be a top 3 prospect.

I'd also keep an eye on local product Reggie Perry.

Nassir has a very mature game I’ll be interested to see him UNC doesn’t have a ton of 1 and done players.

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-dont-trust-the-playoff-process-in-philly/

 

We will see

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Yes.  I'd say in the playoffs, they will be the worst team because of their youth.

I’ll make you a bet right now they win round 1

58 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Also, Dennis was never going to be a part of this team if it ever gets good again, and I'm not convinced it will ever be good again until the Hawks get a competent GM.

The 76ers drafted Okafor #3 and are going to be competing for championships possibly as soon as next year. You can make mistakes and still wind up at the end goal no move he has made is damning. He drafted John Collins possibly the best pick he could have made that just gets thrown out the door?

56 minutes ago, KB21 said:

They already did the true, complete restart this year.  This was always going to be a very long process.  There is no way around this being a long process.  You will have some who think it is great that Philadelphia is a low level playoff team in a weakened conference after their 253 losses over 4 years, but they fail to realize that their outcome so far this season does not outweigh the misery of the previous 4 seasons.

You back track a lot lmao. So the hawks are a lower end playoff team last year. Had we brought that core back we would still be worse than this years 76ers. They have 2 players that are going to be possibly better than anyone in Atlanta hawks history. They have a legitimate shot at eastern conference finals if they avoid Cleveland until then. They will be legitimate contenders in the east as long as Simmons and Embiid are there imo both under 25 Can't say that about last years hawks. 

3 hours ago, Diesel said:

I wouldn't be mad at us picking Doncic because he can shoot.   I would love to see us get two picks in the lottery.  Doncic and Sexton. 

He isn't as much a shooter as most say he is imo. He is only shooting 30% from 3 and barely an 80% ft shooter. Even at Eurobasket he shot 31% from deep. He is a great rebounder (over 8 a game in eurobasket) and passer (3.6 a game playing with Dragic) and is a good floor general (runs Real Madrid in Europe's offense with several former NBA players on it). Saying this James Harden is a great comparison of his upside imo and yes I'd take him 1.

4 hours ago, JTB said:

This is a major setback and a chance for Schlenk to get rid of Dennis contract if he’s charged a felony. 

I hate the idea of a true complete restart!...you move Dennis and I assure you we will be in 7-10 year rebuild no doubt about it!

right now in my opinion this is just a 2-3 year rebuild with Dennis on the team

Dude the 76ers traded anyone that showed a glimpse of talent and are back 5 years later relax.

48 minutes ago, AHF said:

They brought him in to supplement Horford.  Turned out it was a net negative when Horford left.  We went from a winning team to a negative point differential team and that was primarily driven by that swap.

The talk about Dwight's reluctance to roll is absolutely on point.  That has been an issue for the better part of a decade.   It is so obvious that he could really enhance his game if he would lean into that instead of fighting it.  Reminds me a bit of Josh.

Best AAU team in Georgia history. The entire starting 5 went to the NBA crazy.

Nothing you have said makes me want Dwight. He has a history of being nothing more than a cancer and goofball in locker rooms. Al Horford is about to be on DPOY ballots and he isn't a locker room head case. He is a significantly better player at this point than Dwight. Dwight had we had him and Al would have been pissed because he is the 3rd option imo.