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22 minutes ago, DBac said:

Gotta imagine the Hawks will use their secret weapon soon.

 

Dennis hasn't been disciplined for that bar fight yet

We won't deploy that until our pillow fight vs the magic on april fools day. I'm going and 100% am expecting to see Prince drop 72 and lose like Booker last year. Go fighting Aaron Gordons!

The only 

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

 

Zach Randolph... Professionalism and Defense??!!

 

Lmao he is an example. Paul Millsap is closer to Randolph than Dirk lol. Dirk took several pay cuts and averaged 20+ ppg at 33! Sap hasn't ever done that. In fact it is interesting you mentioned them Dirk was 32 the year they won a championship he averaged 23 ppg 7rpg on 51% and 39% from 3. Sap is 32 now but I'll take 31 due to injury 18 ppg 8rpg on 44% and 31% from 3 on more miniutes. How do those correlate? Hell Dirk averaged 22 ppg at 35!

7 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Maybe Sap is that veteran player that teaches young guys like Collins professionalism and how to play defense.    YOU all talk about chasing FAs.  That's a joke right? No FA will want to touch us until we're back into contention unless our overpay makes THJr looks like a poor man. 

LMAO Zach Randolph signed with the Kings at 12 million a year that sound like super over pay? 5-8 teams this offseason are even projected to have cap space sorry try again. Zach Randolph can teach just as well as Sap at less than half the cost.

11 minutes ago, Diesel said:

His last yr... watch the trades. 

 

Okay I'm excited to watch the trade that goes down for a 35 yr old pf making 30+ million:). When in NBA history have teams traded for contracts like that while keeping future books clean?

Just now, Watchman said:

I hope you're right.

If you look back at WF he didn't ever play a ton of minutes (due to foul trouble most the time) he only played about 26-27 mpg as a soph and less than 15 mpg as a freshman.

Just now, Watchman said:

I'm afraid the league has caught onto him now, and will be leery to trade for him (at for least anything worthwhile.)

This off-season would be the best time to move him maybe the magic or suns will have some interest.

Just now, Watchman said:

To me rebounding is (or was) the best thing he brings to the game.  He misses bunny shots all the time.  

Okay that doesn't dispose a 52 game difference I'm sure he is hitting the "rookie wall" as most contributing rookies not use to the workload do. 

1 minute ago, Watchman said:

We might actually miss the playoffs, but it not be for lack of effort, and not intentional.  I believe that teams have a duty to the fans to put a good team on the court.  This year has been pathetic and embarrassing.  I would have done my best to unload Dennis, because a point guard who refuses to pass to any particular teammate is flawed severely.

They have tried promise he was on the block and probably still is. I talked about why in most cases I'd agree but not if it impacts the ability to sign other FA and acquire more valuable assets down the road.

1 minute ago, Watchman said:

I thought that earlier in the season, but he finally got more minutes and his rebounding has dropped off markedly. That makes me very uncomfortable about his future.  I hope for our sake he fixes it.

That's almost any rookie the season is 82 games vs 30 Jayson Tatum was shooting above 50% from 3 are Kyrie and Al ruining his development?

7 minutes ago, Watchman said:

Oh, you don't want to answer my question, because you know there are no superstars among this year's draftees.

I never said that I love Ayton's and Doncic's ceiling and current games. I am also much higher on Bamba than most with him having a solid FT % and could see guys like Rawle Awkins and Porter being nice late pickups. I have said multiple times I think the draft is only 1 aspect of building a contender and you can't just tank and expect to be good in a few year without signing the right players to fit around the core.

15 minutes ago, Watchman said:

I never suggested that we would be a playoff team.  We could have played out Dwight's contract and resigned Millsap, or at least offered.  If he walks, he walks. In team we could rebuild.  I would have attempted to trade Schröder, because you don't need a point guard who refuses to pass to one of his teammates. 

Losing on purpose is pathetic, and shows a complete lack of competence on the part of the GM.  Some sports will kick you out of the league for throwing games.  The NBA should be no different.  Any way you look at it, we are throwing games.

I see it as Sap's contract doesn't make sense on a winning team unless he is the piece you think that takes you over the top. If he had moved contracts where there was a clear path to success and he traded valuable assets for garbage I'd agree. I just think we got old and lost key players to FA with no compensation. Getting out from under Dwight's contract allows us to chase FA this off-season and would love to see the hawks target some guys that have under preformed ala Donte Exum and Mario Hezojona. I'm not saying I love every move he has made but can understand the reasoning which is also why you don't see the NBA getting on the hawks. Schröder has been on the trade block nobody wants him lol the bucks took Bledsoe > Schröder.

16 minutes ago, Watchman said:

Opinions vary.

What moves would you have made to improve your over the cap 8 seed (maybe but I'll give it to you) Atlanta Hawks? it is a serious question I'm curious about.

38 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Was he top 50 in 2011?

He was averaging 23 ppg on 51% shooting the best of his career! if Sap had won an MVP and lead us to an NBA final that was riged hell yeah lets keep him around.

26 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Let's go with your scenerio for a moment.  

Let's say that we did resign Sap to the same deal he got from Denver and  Let THJr walk.   Sap gets injjured in the season and miss 2/3rd of the season.   We're still this bad and now we have Sap coming back next year with 2 years left on his deal.   Moreover, Collins can develop under good tutoring.   Sap becomes a player that we can flip in his latter days because his contract will mean more to teams that are over the cap.   Same for D8... and we got good picks coming. 

The problem with our team is that we don't focus on getting the draft right.   We haven't done so yet.  Maybe Collins is a keper... but our track record up until now has sucked. 

So here's the question in response...  DO you think Collins & Prince are developing NOW?

 

No one is trading for Sap on a 30 million deal coming off injury lmao. Yes I do Prince dropped a career high 2 games ago. All Collins has done since getting to ATL is improve.

15 minutes ago, KB21 said:

So, out of all these years and top 5 picks, you have come up with one example that wasn’t even in the one and done era.  And Wade wasn’t the best player on any of those championship teams.  

He was finals MVP just like Iggy was!

4 hours ago, Diesel said:

The reset shouldn't be get rid of all the players and start over.   The reset should have been change the decision makers. 

Back to this idea.   If the only team in basketball history that ever win a championship through tanking (the warriors) tanked to get Harrison Barnes.   Then you can't make me believe that tanking gets you players that lead you to championships.   I have asked the question a few times with no answer.   What makes anybody here believe that we will miss the mediocre treadmill that tanking brings?

 

So I've asked multiple times how do you improve the team with no cap space and your dream 15th pick?

4 hours ago, Diesel said:

2011 Dallas Mavericks.   Won the championship. 

Dirk is a top 50 player all time imo top 30 I don't buy that he is way more than an all star he is a former MVP!

11 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Such an albatross for a two year deal when you aren't going to sign anyone worth a shit in the those two years with all this cap flexibility.  

"Oh,, but we are going to take on contracts to get draft picks with that cap flexibility."  

And?  So that 30th draft pick that will come from Houston this year is going to be worth the $13 million it took to take on Jamal Crawford's contract, only to buy him out?

By resigning Paul, the Hawks would have kept a veteran player that knows how to win and is still a top power forward in the game.  This would have given these young players a veteran leader to look up to and to learn how to win from.  

Now, this team has an expansion level roster that will only be worse next year due to the lack of veterans this team will have and the increase in the number of players with 1 or less years of experience in the league.  

So, even if DeAndre Ayton is a stud, who in the hell is going to teach him how to play winning basketball in the NBA?  There will be no established veterans to speak of that plays his position on this team in 2019.  NONE!  He's going to learn how to win in the NBA from Miles Plumlee?

I'm so impressed you can project what Schlenk is going to do with the cap space all y'all got insiders I don't I guess.

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

You didn't answer the question.  If bottoming out intentionally to land a top 5 pick is the answer to getting a championship, then surely there are several top 5 picks in the one and done era who have lead their teams to a championship and were the best players on that championship team.  Also, the one and done era is being used, because that is when the draft changed and became more about potential than production, which means you will miss more at the top when drafting based on potential.  

So, you are saying that you shouldn't pay big money to a player that doesn't push you over the edge of winning at least a playoff series.  That means Atlanta probably shouldn't resign who ever they draft in 2018, because by the time they are free agents, they will not have pushed Atlanta over the edge of winning a playoff series.  More than likely, this player will be a free agent BEFORE Atlanta even makes the playoffs again.

I'm not saying that at all but at a third of the cap you should push the team into major contention especially at 33 with 0 upside on the team. That would also mean the hawks have the longest playoff drought in the east the longest now is 5 years come on we have been over this. I don't see it as bottoming out the roster I saw it as Sap at 30 million is a negative asset that is an albatross that can't be traded as well as Dwight.

15 minutes ago, KB21 said:

This team is an embarrassment.  

Clearly some of you "Sap-lovers" have Schlenk's phone number or something talking about his plan to rebuild the hawks acting like you got insiders or something lol.

8 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Tell me, which top 5 picks drafted during the one and done era have gone on to lead their team to a NBA Championship AND were the best player on that championship team?

Please tell me a scenario where a team with a non-allstar aged vet center and borderline east allstar PF making over half your cap equaled playoff success? I'm not saying tanking works 100% of the time I'm saying those contracts don't make sense unless that player pushes you over the edge of winning at least a playoff series and I 100% believe that team wouldn't. I wouldn't be opposed to payoffs if it means a flexible cap which doesn't include contracts totaling a third or even a forth of your cap.

10 minutes ago, Diesel said:

if it wasn't for THJr, we probably would have traded Oubre Jr. for a bag of Diggem Smacks.   Look at our trackrecord.

Larkin.. Traded. 

Bebe... Traded. 

Moose... Traded. 

We are not about developing draft picks. 

 

And we failed miserably time for a reset exactly! All I've seen from you is why nothing works lol. At least we have an idea come up with something to get us closer to a championship genius. 

7 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

LOL @ shut up.  I pay to see these games.  Do you pay to go to these games at Philips arena?  It's easy to talk "tank" when you're not spending a dang dime to see these games live.   Check back when you're spending $100 a pop to see a game.  Or better yet, see how the season ticket holders feel about "the tank".

This team is dead last in attendance this season, due to the stunt the GM pulled.  And if the right player isn't picked, that attendance number will get worse.  The only person that's going to move the needle from an attendance standpoint, is Collin Sexton.  And he definitely won't get picked if the Hawks have a top 3 pick.  

Schlenk's "plan", is to throw the house at one of the Golden State players not named Curry or Durant.  It'll either be Klay Thompson or Draymond Green.  What will Schlenk use as a selling point to lure either of those 2 guys to Atlanta?

How do you know Schlenk's plan please elaborate! Sexton won't go top 7 I'll put money on it now you just like him and are speaking for a fanbase. Stunt? He didn't overpay a couple aging players as I've said no math works where you can compete for a championship with over half you cap taken by a borderline east all-star and a former all star.

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

As much as you and others cry about Millsap's age, I can't believe that you can't see the value in getting a more ready player like THJr instead of a project like Oubre at the time of the trade. 

 

LMAO THJ went to the D-league while on the hawks shut up. More ready to play no defense.