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1 hour ago, Mikey said:

If thats the case let us keep Jalen too lol. Jalen on the bench and next to lineups where Kat is center would be amazing.

I would rather trade Jalen than either Okongwu and AJ, and one has to be included in the deal. Okongwu and KAT is a dream pair.

4 minutes ago, Diesel said:

In 30 days..

They'd hang up on you

9 hours ago, givemesome1ce1 said:

I’ll just say this about the Siakam stuff in here. This team needs secondary playmaking, better defense, and more shooting. So people want to trade AJ Griffin, Onyeka Okongwu, and Jalen Johnson, 3 players who could do all these things because they’re young? The first three players I mentioned all shown more potential than any of the past rookies we’ve ever drafted in the Trae Young era. Who cares if they’re young? Jalen Johnson was a completely different player  after Quin Snyder took over. Onyeka Okongwu is Ready to be a starter and was top 10 in blocks despite coming off the bench. AJ Griffin was so good as a Rookie that he made NATE MCMILLAN play him! AJ almost had a 50/40/90 season!

 

People want to win now? I’m sorry but this team isn’t ready to win now. It’s not gonna be ready to win now for at least a year, maybe even two. Too many problems with this team exist right now that are gonna take a while to solve. It makes perfect sense to try and develop now when we have the chance. The only question is whether DJ and Trae want to wait for that to happen.

 

also, I’m hoping that Dejounte does sign that extension tomorrow. It’s clear if you look at his Instagram he really loves being a hawk. DJ signing that deal will give us significant flexibility. But we will see tomorrow 

You can't always hold on to young talent and HOPE they become a player like Brown/Siakam when you can trade for them NOW. Under the current circumstances, trading OO hurts the least while we still have Capela. I believe AJ has the most star potential, but would trade him for Brown, and I think JJ has a high ceiling but is a walking injury risk that I would trade for Siakam easy.

11 hours ago, KB21 said:

If you want to continue to deny the fact that, due to the path we chose to take, we haven’t developed these young players properly or that someone from the Spurs tree or the Bud tree wouldn’t have been monumentally better than the crap we hired, then that’s on you.  I’m just glad that ownership came to its senses and hired Quin, who is a branch off Bud’s tree as well as Popovich’s tree.  

And Coach K's tree which I think goes overlooked

9 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

The appeal of KAT to me, is being able to play alongside OO.  I'd rather trade AJ or JJ than OO in any KAT deal.

I agree, but I assume that OO is the player that gets the deal done, not AJ or JJ.

I'll miss Collins, but not the version we saw last season in the slightest. However, I do wonder what a Capela deal first would have looked like because moving JC back to a pre-Cap role could have increased his value for more return than a salary dump. I need to see a full off-season of changes before I judge.

33 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I thought I read somewhere surgery will not fix his finger(?) which is why he hasn't done it

That's correct. Surgery is fusing his joints together and he would actually have less mobility than he already has.

7 minutes ago, thecampster said:

One point of speculation nobody has mentioned (that I saw) was does this open up time for OO at the 4 and Bruno as the backup 5?

With a center like KAT or Ayton, I would love that. 

1 minute ago, JeffS17 said:

He's not bad but he's mentally weak and immature.  Snyder seems to have exceptional people skills and emotional intelligence, but I'd rather him be able to focus on basketball and not babysitting sensitive players with big egos.  Ayton is literally the polar opposite of the vague description given for players we're trying to target.

And he's already dealing with molding Trae. Can he handle another one? Can we?

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

In his conversation with Schultz, Ressler called the Team an "Asset" .

That cleared things up for me. 

Ressler is not a fan of the Hawks.  He's the owner.  And he doesn't have other fans of the Hawks, he has Shareholders.   He probably likes to see his team dong well, but his primary thing is ownership. 

WE... Fans of the Atlanta Hawks want to believe that our Owner would be the biggest HOMER there is... When that is the case, your owner will spend more than is needed to make sure that the team is at the best capacity it can be.  However, when your owner is a owner first, he's looking to maximize his profits.. either now or in the future. He has a guideline that he follows and a stiff budget.  He rarely makes moves that are not going to improve the bottom line either now or in the future.  Like Trading Nique was the best business move at the time.   However, it was the worst possible fan move. 

Bottom line, let's stop expecting fan moves from our owner. 

 

Ressler cares about the team. I sit by him at games. He's on his feet, he cheers, he heckles. Against the Cavs last season, he was yelling at Rubio and calling him a bum. He's just also a business man that isn't going to pay millions for a middling team. If we aren't a contender, there's no reason to pay it. It's on the GM to make us a contender where he would pay it or get under so we have breathing room to get better.

As a fan I want Ressler to spend and I don't care how much the tax would be for him, but it's also bad business to pay the LT for a team that is a 6-10 seed with no title shot. I still think he would pay it if there was a deal where a Big 3 of say Trae. DJM, and KAT was the result. But as it stands, there's no reason to pay it when the roster is broken in areas.

Take Whitmore 

6 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

How bad do you want Gradey {male parts }? Just want to get a gage on how bad you want D!ck.

On a scale of 1-10? 69.

1 minute ago, capstone21 said:

I feel like we are starting over if we are trading our starters for unproven draft picks that will take time to develop if at all.

I only feel this way if trading multiple starters. A Cap/Collins break up is a step forward just for fit. Addition by subtraction.

2 minutes ago, Phunkabilly said:

Do you know which two are their primary targets? I understand if you can't share that info before the draft, but it would be interesting to know whether or not we got our guys once the draft is over.

Whitmore and Lively still fit the bill. You can't trade Hunter without getting a Wing back (Whitmore) and backfilling Capela with Lively as Okongwu's b/u down the line makes logical sense.

4 minutes ago, thecampster said:

By the end of the night, we could have a few new pieces, 7 and 10. But Clint and DH will be gone.

This just doesn't seem very win now

24 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

In all seriousness, I wish we had more dogs like this. The only reason we don’t hear about him is because his body type is held against him opposed to Zion who is popular and gets a pass. You can’t tell me they don’t have the same game and bully anyone that gets in their way.

 

"ZION" he's a one name brand. Kenneth Lofton should have done his son better than adding the Jr.

22 minutes ago, KB21 said:

So, we want Fultz.  We want Ayton.  Are we trying to corner the market on failed #1 overall picks?

The potential!!!

I really like the idea of a KAT and OO front court. 

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

At 6'-6"???

I'm fairly certain 

14 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

If the JC to BKN rumor is true…*shivers*… it’s incomplete. We won’t be going into the season with PF depth of:

X and Jalen Johnson

When someone solves for “X” please let me know. 

I don't see it working with OO, compared to Gobert, but wasn't O'Neale Quin's starting PF in Utah?

4 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Which one of you is Joshua Buckhalter? That dude be one of us I’m sure.

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2023/06/20/hawks-conversations-trade-suns-ayton-mavericks/
 

Oh god it’s not Braaaaaaaaaaad Row row row your boat outta here is it? It’s one of his disciples?  

That trade gets a HELL NO 

30 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

When I was growing up guys like Ayton and Zion were David Robinson and LJ….

 

Not sure if it’ll materialize. Shame too, they got talent, Ja too, Ben too, what’s with these kids? I know I sound old but it’s almost like they have issues on top of issues and ego issues. 

I'm sure there were players like this then too. It's all about getting paid. They're good at basketball, but they aren't passionate about it. If Ayton and Zion weren't as expensive as they are, they would be viewed differently, but they're paid to be a 1 or 2 option and they aren't.

15 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

0 interest in Ayton.  Way too expensive for what he brings.  Dude gives no effort out there… a waste of talent and he does not try at all on D.  It would be a step backwards for us.  I also think his laziness and poor attitude will also effect the locker room 

He's like Vic Beasley. All the talent and none of the work ethic. Does he even want to play? 

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

My Question is Would you do it?

I wouldn't trade anyone for Zion's fat, injured ass