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1 hour ago, KB21 said:

It will be soon.  The only reason guys like him still have a job is because there aren’t enough athletic skilled bigs to completely phase them out.  However, the number of athletic skilled bigs will increase in the near future.  

I agree from a starting center standpoint that the league is leaving them in the dust, but I do like them situationally off the bench. It would be nice to have someone that could play 15 minutes vs an Embiid and just help wear him down.

Again, no where near rotation, just a third center.

7 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Sarr's pie in the sky developmental time frame expectation should be something like JJs turned out to be. Not sure this is what the team needs atm, but not sure who else is a better pick either. 

That's pretty much the point. If we're keeping the pick, just draft the highest potential player and trust your developmental team.

44 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

I think assuming JJ, Sarr, and OO will meet the shooting requirements of a modern NBA front court is a concept built on hope.  None of them have demonstrated they are reliable volume shooters.  They can make open set shots.  

Could one of them develop to be a shooter? Yes, but none are even on that trajectory path.  

Well, there's no lock in this draft, so taking the player with the highest ceiling, especially with out GL and ATL coaching staffs, makes sense.

Edit: I meant to quote Atlantaholic above your post.

1 minute ago, JTB said:

Ya know it would not shock me if Mitchell was open to coming to Atlanta to reunite with Synder and play with Trae.

wouldn’t shock me at all.

It wouldn't shock me if we were a requested destination because of Quin.

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

DJ is a much better player than that.  It's just the fit with Trae that's not working so we undervalue him.  When he plays point guard, he's at minimum top 12 in the NBA.  

Well, the deadline rumors were people like Quentin Grimes and a Pick, so it doesn't say much about his market value. Teams won't pay us full price, ever.

Edey performed much better than I anticipated at the combine, but I'm not sure he's anything more than Boban in today's NBA still. If this were the 90s and early-00s, sure, but I don't see it right now.

Just pointing out that they have options that won't cost them a thing. DJ brings back KJ at best.

5 minutes ago, marco102 said:

You will if the Spurs want a point guard for Wemby.

They can draft Dillingham, Castle, or Reed.

13 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

I have a possible scenario as this... Bucks basically become what we would've been with Sarr/Johnson but they get Bogi too. The Pelicans get what they want for what we need.

 

This is the win-now move for the Hawks. Recouping draft capital is reliant on Bufkin growth, Capela getting you some protected FRP on an expiring.. but other than that you're in trouble draft wise.

The floor spacing would be atrocious

4 minutes ago, Afro said:

Lol that team never had a shot. Because they didn't have a star. Which is why trading our star for a package of role players is just recreating the same thing. 

With continued development, JJ and Sarr could both be Stars.

1 minute ago, Afro said:

Thats not a good argument, guys lol. So we're trading Trae to end up with Vassell and JJ(if were using our history as a projection).

This is EXACTLY how you build the Bud Hawks. And guess what happens then. 

60 wins, ECF appearance, and a shot at a title?

3 minutes ago, Afro said:

So you're actively making 25 and 26 worse. That is my entire point lol. I don't agree with trading with the Spurs just for us to try to make half of our return worse. 

 

The best player we drafted since Trae was 20. As others have stated, player development and scouting matter the most.

1 minute ago, Afro said:

Again, so don't get your own picks back. 

This is coming over from the other thread. Im going to compare 4 and 8 in this draft to Hunter and Reddish. 

You think trading Trae for Hunter, Reddish, and 3 other 15-25 picks is a good trade? 

IF he wants out, I want 4, 8, '25, end '26 pick swap, and Vassell from SAS to pair with what we have.

We maintain a competitive roster, bring in youth this season, and then continue pushing for the play-offs next season.

2 minutes ago, Afro said:

Its far better than the opposite. You're arguing against actual proven data man. 

 

 

More teams stay in the lottery than make the jump.

It's kinda like in football how the same teams always seem to need a new QB every 3-4 season. Poor culture.

3 minutes ago, Afro said:

Sort of, except this whole discussion started because we're getting our picks back....but hoping those picks fall out of the lottery. 

This is a IF Trae asks out scenario question of trading him for our picks back, but staying competitive, instead of moving DJ and entering full flop mode too.

The argument is continuing to push for the play-offs with DJ/JJ/Bogi/Sarr/Hunter/OO/4/8 etc

2 minutes ago, Afro said:

The teams they got the picks from did....Thats how they got top picks. Who tanked isnt really relevant. The fact they were high is whats relevant. 

But its also ironic since we want to trade for the Spurs 4 and 8. Y'all think its *better* if those picks were 13th and 54th? 

This would be us tanking for the Spurs

Hawks tanked for roughly 3 seasons. Drafted their best player in season one (Luka) and traded him for Trae (Lucky is semi-worked) and a Pick, then drafted Hunter and Cam in the lottery the following season, and the Onyeka the next. We lucked into a quicker than normal turnaround. Intentionally tanking, doesn't turn your team around. Look at how long teams sit in a dumpster fire, looking at you Detroit, Washington, Charlotte, Orlando for years, Sacramento for 20 years, Minny for years. It took Philly forever to get it right, and OKC is an exception to the rule. The best player we've drafted since Trae is Jalen at 20.

40 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Not disputing you here, but yall acting like telephones don't exist is killing me lmao we been able to talk across whole ass continents since the 1800s

I have only met my direct manager once in person over 3 years. He lives in another country. Video calls are a thing.

1 minute ago, NekiEcko said:

and why do we want KD for?  He is the last person in the NBA that I want on this team, and he wants to go to the Heat

Especially at that asking price mentioned

1 minute ago, LucastheThird said:

I'd rather keep AJ than trade for Daniels if Giannis were to come. Shooting will be a huge need in throughout the rotation, and Bufkin can probably handle that Daniels role well enough.

38 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I didn't say that neither did my sources. They said Trae's already talked with the FO. This is 2024. They could have a Skype and have the same result for all I know.

Nope, face-to-face only! (as I work from home) lol

13 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

Correct — Has to be Giannis.  

Giannis and Embiid (who I hate) are the first guys that came to mind.

11 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I was asked to not repeat it. I don't know if @NBASupes wants to share the name or hold onto it because his sources asked for the same privacy.

Oh no, I don't want you or your source to get in trouble. I'm purely speculating. 

It's a painful price. I have sticker shock at the moment, but, ultimately, I want to win a championship.

That package can only be for like 3 players.

4 minutes ago, Dragitoff said:

Kind of like quitting a job you know you're about to get fired from? 

Updating our resume lol