Mikey

23 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He has to do it and win. Beal won in big playoff games. Has Murray played in one yet?

Beal won playoff games as a second option. In the same role as Murray, both teams are not good enough to tank or make the playyoffs. One guy is also younger and not about to sign a super max

17 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

That's cool and all which is why they want a Jrue Holiday like comp. Still doesn't make it a great deal. You trading a top 60 player in JC for a top 40-50 player in Murray. This is not a top 40 for top 100 guy. This is an insane trade value deal. 

Two 1sts and JC is RICH. Three 1st and JC, at this point you just playing 2k as a newbie. Atlanta ain't nice enough like Milwaukee to be trading all of that. 

murray is much closer to 30 imo than 40/50. JC also plays a position that does not have value for us if hes just gonna sit in the corner. Murray will be a second shot creator and playmaker for this team and will run the bench most likely. Control of murray for the next 6-7 years too its easily the value of what he wants. JC isn't that guy murray is 

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Murray is not that good to me. So I disagree. He's not Kevin Durant. Two 1st and JC is a elite offer and Okongwu isn't the equivalent of a protected 1st. He's way more valuable than JC and any of those picks. This is usually when I know you don't understand or rate Okongwu clearly when he's a filler in a trade for a player like Murray 

25 year old all star only making 16 million the next two seasons. Hes so damn good and the price is gonna be as expected high. You guys value jc too high imo. His value isn't nearly what many think and as a result more picks or swaps will be attached too it

Just now, NBASupes said:

Bogi got a 6'11 wingspan and he's 6'6 and him and Trae is a SMALL backcourt

Bogi isnt the defender murray is though. Murray a good compliment to trae even though hes a bit undersized

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Murray is 6'4 190 and Trae is 6'2 175. That's one of the most undersized backcourt in the NBA 

You got to make up for that and with quality. Okongwu, Hunter, and Capela does make up for it. But you remove Okongwu, it's hard finding someone who can who needs limited touches, etc. 

6'10 wingpsan on Murray tho. hell be fine

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

I'll be shocked if JC is traded, if he's traded and it's not for quality value, I would be extremely disappointed in Fields. Lucky that Ayton wants to come to Atlanta. 

too much smoke around a jc trade this time around. its only a matter of when hes traded not if. Every single national reporter has said this. Heck even Brad Rowland of the locked on pod has said he has heard the chatter. The thing will happen whether it is thursday or during free agency

Just now, NBASupes said:

Because of the Capela unlikely incentives, Ayton for Capela works now for the Suns in a SnT. 

The issue is, Ayton 30.5 million dollar year 1. Atlanta has to clear up 6.3 million. The only way they can do that is add another trade to this one. 

thanks for clearing up. does this operate under the assumption we have cut gallo already?

7 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Any Ayton trade with Capela means we have to add 6.3 million in trade capital that's available. 

If we trade Hart/7 for JC/16, we can modify our Blazers deal and add the Ayton SnT which will cover for the 6.3 million we have to have available. 

If we want to trade Hart, we would ideally need to do it in that modified deal as we can package him. Whereas, once the deal is finalized, we have to wait 90 days to trade him. 

We have to be very crafty to land Ayton but its feasible which is all that matters. 

 

For example, look at my screenshot.

I don't believe the first statement is accurate unless you are only referring to it in the context of this post. I remember reading a john holinger article that says the suns can only take on 20 million in salary for an ayton sign and trade. Capela's 18 mill would fall witin that threshold so they would not need more money (believe this is assuming he signs 5/170)

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

BS meter for Clint to Minnesota is extremely high

BS meter for JC to Sacramento is low. Sacramento is talking to teams about moving down. Get in the 6-9 range and Dyson Daniels is still on the board. Yeah, they got a realistic shot at JC.

Only on the hawks forum would you find people calling BS on SHAMS CHARANIA LOL

Departure of Chris Jent is very notable. The hawks primary shooting coach and offensive assistant. You guys that are big fans of nate (for whatever reasons that is even though he stinks) are going to really see who he is next season barring an amazing offensive assistant hire. Such a loss to this team.

Still have trae though and roster might be upgraded so I expect them to be a top 10 offense still but losing potentially the only good coach on the bench is troublesome to an already middle of the pack team

47 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Uuummm....3 people asked you who were the replacement PF from the 'at that spot' comment - you mentioned Anderson and Grant - so I guess we all misunderstood .

yes replacement pf not upgrade. Never said we would upgrade at that position I said we would get a replacement level player...

1 hour ago, marco102 said:

Everybody is an exaggeration.  Kirschner has his best guess of who may not be on the team.  The most likely candidate is Bogi and Capela. 

If there are better deals for the Hawks to get better with sending out JC, they may make the trade.

I can almost guarantee they will not be trading JC to Portland for the 7th pick in a weak draft. 

Unless they've brought in some other upgrades at the 2 and center spots.

here is the comment that the guy said I was referencing...

27 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

"at that spot" is literally in reference to the guy who quoted me saying they would upgrade shooting guard and center.

Personal insult deleted

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

How is a replacement level player UPGRADING the position ? that is what you alluded to in your initial post.

jesus christ are you guys this short sighted. We would make upgrades at other positions like shooting guard or center. You know more valuable positions for our team. Why should we spend 125 mill on a dude to play average defense and spot up when we can use that money on like ayton who will be a perfect compliment to trae. 

I never said upgrade the SAME position when that position is useless for us. I said upgrade the team. Getting someone like dyson daniels could do wonders for our lack of defense and secondary playmaking in a year 

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Sounds all well and good...taking a step back for a better long term fit.

Is that what Ressler wants? Does he want to be in the play-in again next year? Or top 6? Or top 4 in the East?

Still waiting on the rumored PF that's replacing JC.

You owe me a glass of ?  

They could get a replacement level player. The pf in our system literally has just sat in the corner for years. Maybe like a kyle anderson who could also serve as a backup ball handler which we also need. The power forward is not one of value on this team and they shouldn't allocate the resources to that position like they do to a center.

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

Seems obvious.  If a move Nets you a worse player, how is it not a mistake?

If you think my aversion to downgrading talent means I therefore assume we're close to a title, I'd humbly ask you not to make such wide-sweeping assumptions.

How is it netting you the worse player tho?? Just casue the player is worse year 1 because hes a rookie does not mean he will be worse long term especially when its a better fit

9 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

Donovan Mitchell is dying to get John Collins on his squad. I wouldn’t be surprised if Utah dropped it’s asking price for Gobert to get Collins. Maybe even send a pick our way. For the record I am NOT advocating for John’s departure. Love what he brings to our team. 

Him and JC are really good friends. Wouldn't be shocking 

6 minutes ago, AHF said:

What are the names of the replacements you are seeing?  Tough to assess whether they are an upgrade or a better long-term fit without diving down into the details of the particular player.  

Like, I have a hard time seeing Jerami Grant as someone who would work as a JC replacement both for the short and long term.

I am assuming here they are trading jc for a lottery pick (likely daniels who I love the fit next to trae). That or if they get lucky and can get ivey from kings. Both long term I love fit wise for collins.

They could then replace collins with a cheap option via trade or free agency. Or pursue a more expensive option like grant tho I would not prefer that

9 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I haven't heard one rumored 4, coming back via these supposed trades, thats better than Collins.

He may very well be gone, but the net result better be an immediate upgrade or it's a mistake.

how would it be a mistake???

I think a lot of these hawks fans like you think we are much closer to a championship then we are lol. We don't have a championship coach or a championship level roster at all lol. If it takes another year to become a contender and they get a better long term fit with trae they should absolutely be exploring that.

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

Everybody is an exaggeration.  Kirschner has his best guess of who may not be on the team.  The most likely candidate is Bogi and Capela. 

If there are better deals for the Hawks to get better with sending out JC, they may make the trade.

I can almost guarantee they will not be trading JC to Portland for the 7th pick in a week draft. 

Unless they've brought in some other upgrades at the 2 and center spots.

Lol well they seem to be bringing in upgrades at that spot. Just telling you guys be prepared for jc to be gone cause his time here very well seems done.

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

I don't hate Kirschner.  I think he does fine reporting.  This isn't realgm or twitter Mikey.  We are a way more reasonable group.

I'm telling you how things work.  This is the time of year where agents and other front offices are trying to drive value whatever way they can to be beneficial to them. 

It's called silly season for a reason.  

Again, go look at what was written when John didn't sign his extension before the season before last.  You'll see similar stories written by Kirschner and probably Fischer too.

I find twitter more reasonable than this lol. Everybody on here last time kept telling me kirschner hates jc and has been trying to get him traded for years like no thats not how this works lol.

Fischer been saying we didn't even want to give him the deal we gave him. His time feels done with the hawks

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

None have them had said that.  They've said that their best guess is he'll be traded.

What's actually happening is Atlanta is taking calls on JC because he's the player with the highest value that they may make available. 

Doesn't mean they are going to trade him.  Just means they are listening to offers on him.   

JC was also " best guessed" to be gone before he signed his contract extension too.

Kirschner has said all summer long he doesn't expect jC back (and I know you all hate him so please save me the grace and don't reply about him Idc).

Jake fischer just said yesterday he expects the hawks to deal jc for a lottery pick. also again stated in KOC's mock draft today. They have been saying this stuff for weeks now

13 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I think Schlenk's last commentary makes it somewhat clear that a very high price will have to be offered for JC.  Travis speaking out is strategic in my mind.   He didn't have to say anything.  Rumors don't effect a front office.  In fact, rumors helps a front office stay covert.   BUT.. When the VPBO speaks.. it changes the atmosphere for all GMs and VPs...  That's what Schlenk did.  He changed the atmosphere and put the agents on their heels.   

We (Squawkers) react to every thing that an agent leaks... many times, it's just a coded message to get an organization to be interested in their client through gossip.  Usually, the interest serves in their client getting a better situation.   So we do the work of the Agents... ask Leon Rose about how he used to do it.  However, our VP just stepped up and in my mind ended any notion that we're going after Gobert.   Maybe Travis reached the point of frustration with Utah's brass.  But  it's a clear and loud message that we're not at the table with them anymore. 

 

Rumors do effect them tho. They were losing leverage every time someone threw their name into trades imo

3 minutes ago, JTB said:

I believe we have to get Ayton first before you trade JC. JC is the teams second best scorer outside of maybe Bogi who has been more of a second half guy here in terms of scoring well.

If we grab Ayton via trade before the draft then i believe JC could possibly get traded during draft night for picks 4 or 7.

Can't get ayton until a week after the draft tho. They may have an idea where he signing by then but a jc move likely will happen before free agecnc imo

Everything the major reporters have said all offseason is jc is headed out lol. Would be shocked if it wasn't to portland for 7 hopefully schlenk can work his magic and get to the kings pick. 

There will definitely be changes especially among the front court not including hunter

42 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Within this years cycle. He can't be traded under 2022-23 unless you give him his full contract. He's exactly the same like Gallo

yes and because of the stepien rule the hawks can't "acquire" the blazers pick until after the blazers make the pick anyways. Feels like one of those agreed on draft night but won't be processed till league year changes trades.

On 6/14/2022 at 10:49 PM, NBASupes said:

Atlanta is not taking on Bledsoe's contract. I don't know how many times I gotta say that. Portland can do a deal for Winslow/7 for JC. Portland has a lot of cap space

His contract is only 3 million guaranteed opposed to 4 million guaranteed for winslow. It would be pretty dumb for them not to take bledsoe and just cut him