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3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

If you listen to some Hawks fans, they don’t believe there is an influx of these athletic mobile bigs.  They still believe that you need a post oriented slow footed big.  

Idk if id go that far as much as the consensus is Sarr is the highest ceiling player of a bad draft, Clingan isnt as raw, and Edey was just that dominant.

It makes the argument one you have to have. 

Just now, KB21 said:

Imagine trying to explain why you passed on a JJJ/Mobley/Chet/Wemby archetype to draft a Kessler/Lopez archetype.  

Yeah considering we don’t even need Sarr to score right now I think his greatest value is just the athletic profile to defend the influx of stretch bigs. 

On 5/17/2024 at 12:26 PM, KB21 said:

This guy may end up my #3 guy before it is all said and done:

 

I like him but he’s redundant on a team with JJ. 

22 hours ago, Atlantaholic said:

Tyson Chandler was a huge bust for Chicago and blossomed into a very solid player like 8 years into his career on his fourth team. 

He was a huge bust as a tall wing forward, which they drafted him to be.

10 hours ago, Dragitoff said:

I'm still not seeing how salaries match up with the potential deal for Giannis. 

 

Giannis $49m

Capela $22m
Jalen $4.5m
#1 pick $10m

TOTAL $36.5m

We'd need to add a little more salary to that wouldn't we? 

Can we give them Hunter? PLEASE

If the best we can get for Trae, today, are some middling 1RP. Hold him another year. Those deals will still be there. 

On 5/13/2024 at 5:39 PM, ShooterSays said:

I think JJ / Sarr is the ideal pairing at the 4 & 5. Question is whether or not Sarr can be an every-play Center. If yes, this is the easiest pick ever.

If no or maybe, I think he’s still the pick. But it’ll just take some more work to make sure all the pieces fit right.

JJ / OO / Sarr on defense is lights out. Offensively tho… probably not perfect.

JJ can play the 3 and OO has improved his outside shot. It really hinges on who is playing the 2 in this scenario. Even on last years splits, JJ/DJ and 36-37% from 3 would fit well. Even moreso because Sarr is a threat away from the basket. 

So after combine day 1. Safe to say Edey > Clingan or no? 

On 5/13/2024 at 1:36 PM, AHF said:

As one of the resident UK fans here, I have to point out that Sheppard is not remotely a dog POA defender who needs to round out on offense.  He is an opportunistic and intelligent defender without elite physical traits who is an outstanding shooter (he was the best shooter on a talented UK team last year).  I think Sheppard has a high floor on offense and is more questionable on the defensive side of the ball (although he has shown promise there as well).  Very different profile than MKG.  

Apologies. You are absolutely right.  i didn’t mean to compare them as prospects and more to group them together as a group of prospects. Holland and Castle profile very differently 

Besides his injury issues (and questionable defensive intensity and ability). Deandre cant be the guy we need him to be because doesn’t impact the game if his shot isn’t falling and ironically, for a poor ball handler, needs the ball in his hands to get to his spots. On the second team he was able to seek his shot more versus in the starting 5 where he was playing a secondary role. 

The result is that he largely defers to other more talented/aggressive players when he is playing with DJ, Trae, and now Jalen. It’s not that he isn’t a player with a skill set. He’s a player that can’t play the role we are asking for him. And because of that we need to either move him to the second unit permanently or upgrade him. 

Watching Dallas and it’s crazy how much better they are with a second short creator and a bunch of 3&D guys. Luka and Trae have very similar play styles and weaknesses, despite Luka having more size. 

Agreed that nobody is trading anything of note for this number 1 pick in a questionable year. That said, picking number 1 also insulates you in the event you do need to Trade Trae later. You, ideally, get yourself a legit superstar to replace him. 

5 hours ago, terrell said:

JJJ rebounding is too bad to be on this list...

Fair but he’s a helluva rim protector. Replace him with Chet lol

OR we could draft a great player to pair with our great player? 

just a thought 

SN: taking some time to look at a few more draft prospects and while there may not be a clear cut superstar, I think there are a lot of players who would thrive with a guy like Trae who would take the pressure off of them to be immediate shot creators. There also aren’t many high end, ready made, college stars, like Edwards a couple years ago who you are comfortable projecting. That said the league is trending back toward big men 

The strength of this draft are the big men, (arguably our greatest need). I’d let them battle in our in workouts to see who comes out on top. 

Sarr is a potential do it all big. Switchable POA defender who profiles as the next great stretch 5. Big question make for me is his motor and work ethic. But the kid has tools in spades so if he has the desire to be the best, I would feel comfortable projecting him closer to his ceiling. 

Clingan/Edey have already been discussed as paint protectors, low post scorers. Steady guys, may not be anything special but high floor players as well. 

Behind them is a group of guys like Sheppard,Holland and Castle (dog POA defenders who scare the shit out of you if their game doesn’t round out a la Michael Kidd Gilcrest) and shooters like Knecht/ Risacher (who looks like a Peja Stojakovic clone to me) who I’d really like lower in the top ten. 

That said, the league is tending back towards big men (Embiid, Jokic, Wemby, JJJ, KAT, Gobert, etc) so if you can get a guy to battle with them, you take him in my mind. The good news is our FO was ahead of the curve on Giannis a few years ago and we have a decent track record on finding mid round gems so let’s hope that translates.

10 hours ago, Jody23 said:

For a guy who's 7'1, that handle and fluidity look like a solid foundation to work for his offense imo.

I’m sold. Plus I heard Clingan is already had foot/injury issues?

2 hours ago, hawkman said:

Why is everyone so dramatic lately? Trae is a father and is most likely on vacation with his family. 

And it was Mother’s Day. 

I would rather trade the pick for a bonafide starter and save our depth than draft anyone not named Clingan or Sarr though. 

I think this is really an unenviable position but one where we realistically can’t go wrong (or at least can’t be second guessed. 

Two elite defensive bigs. One a better post player and rebounder day one. The other more switchable with a higher upside. Both of them address our biggest need but could top out as plus starters.

My worst nightmare would be the FO falling in love with Ron Holland though lol

BI alone with DJ is basically a wash. Two guys who have similar shot profiles who are good enough to occasionally put up a big number but not good enough to carry a team as the lead star. DJ is a better defender but BI is more efficient and offers better length, which is one of our biggest weaknesses, but that’s about it. BI isn’t a bad 3 point shooter, just not a high volume shooter. So he’s still a threat. 

BI + Dyson ups the deal because it gives us a young POA defender better than anyone currently on our roster, including Hunter, who is terribly overrated as a defender and gives us functionally nothing else but streaky shooting.

We also have a legit need for a rim protector because now we neither have POA defenders or a paint presence that can consistently deter shots. OO is decent but is also a poor rebounder. A functional big who is a primary defender and lob threat becomes a plus offensively playing with Trae and is easier to obtain than POA defenders. 
 

Also a couple thing to remember for BI’s value. We would be trading for him on essentially an expiring and including two talented (one all star) level players on multi year, team friendly, deals. That (should) greatly increases the value on return to us. So it’s not just player for player. 

Second thing is any trade of DJ Will need to net us a shot creator/secondary scorer. Trae can’t carry the load himself but at the least we need another secondary shot creator besides Jalen if we want to be a legit championship threat. 

Third thing is this playoffs shows me how devoid we are of glue guy in our rotation. I think Vit showed that at the end of the year how that kind of player helps make our roster go. Deandre needs to go Neeeowww to make space for some other wings. 

18 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I'd also do DJM to San Antonio for Zach Collins, Jeremy Sochan, and 2 FRPs.  

Who is gonna replace DJs scoring and shot creating in this scenario? 

3 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

Take away the pick swaps and i don’t hate it

Can they have Hunter instead of AJ? lol

Agree with Knecht as a Bogi clone. But would offer the question of whether anyone thinks Gueye diminishes our urgent need for another wing versus a big?

4 hours ago, KB21 said:

All three of them move better than Edey.  

Hyperbole.