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1 hour ago, Dnice said:

Kid got Ben and Shawn Kemp mixed up.

I think we're just going to literally feed Kevin Knox to Ben, that must be the plan. 

3 minutes ago, SalvorMallow said:

Cam is 388/588 players in VORP.

156 in BPM

172/184 qualifying players in WS/48

161/184 AST%

162/184 TRB%

118/247 Ftr

127/187 TS%

129/184 PER

61 in USG%

 

He has been awful at nearly every aspect of the game but needs the ball in his hands to even be engaged. Sorry, but it was time to move on.

Truth bomb here.  He can't fit with Trae, that much is sure.  Knicks will probably let him go all JR Smith, to their detriment.  I'm actually glad it's the Knicks.  Hope they pay him too.  

7 minutes ago, Diesel said:

There have been 16 players that played for Atlanta Hawks.  The irony is that the best player to ever wear that number was Doc Rivers. 

Simmons is exactly what Atlanta Needs to play besides Trae Young.  He's the defensive player that we need in the Backcourt with Trae.    He's also the offensive player that we need to run the offense and give Trae time off ball.  He doesn't demand the ball so there will be more shots to go around for efficient scorers like JC and Hunter. 

The Kids want this to happen:

4 days ago, some child had drawn this:

 

The tell me that the picture was drawn by Will Schlenk....

 

Simmons became a MEGA chonker in his time off!  

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

So you don't think any other trades are coming? After the season potentially when we have the number 1 pick? 

Good point that our own pick has increased tremendously in value in the last few weeks.

The more I think on it, I'm pretty convinced this isn't a direct precursor to another deal.  Just meaning, I don't think Schlenk already has something agreed and we will hear about it in 24 hours type deal.  It's just a matter of getting what you can for a guy that you are ready to move on from and isn't helping your team win and might not be helping your locker room either (which is the scuttle from thecampster).

That said, we are actually more likely to be able to make a big deal if it presents itself, because a pick will naturally have more value than Cam in a package.  We also have two other guys with similar salaries to Cam to include in deals if it comes to that (Dieng, Lou).

7 hours ago, NBASupes said:

It's the same as Bron/Luka/Trae is all just an high end variance of the same bullshit. The wings stand a lot. Only wings and guards that get better from this shit are guys Korver, Klay, J.R. Smith, Snell. Guys who are either movement specialist who run around to get open and they are sharps, spot up specialists like J.R. Smith, and guards who are just scoring based with some movement who really don't need touches like that, like Mo Williams. 

Anyone who needs touches? Nope.

Look at this shit: 

 

Kyle left Bron ball and instantly started playing well. Part of the reason Utah got Clarkson for so cheap was he sucked in Bron Ball. Bron/Luka/Trae ball is trash. I love all three of these generational rare talents but their style of heliocentric offense is ASS! And I am someone who think's Bron is GOAT. But this offense is so limiting. Almost everyone around them has to be very good shooters or better. What makes matters worse, Trae defense is WOAT so you almost got to get him around stacked defensive players. But he's so small, you need some extra ball handlers but how many 3&D guys got handles, NONE! It's like trying to build a team in a small cage. It's limiting. Idk. This shit is hard. 

All of them get more out of bigs than anything, especially Trae. All of them need shooters around for spacing. Man, I am not enjoying watching Trae right now more than any other Hawk. He's ruining shit. I've always said, boom or bust. He doesn't have a middle ground. He's not like Delon where he has a high center even if he has low ceilings. 

You are dead right on this.  But I hope you can also see this is exactly why Cam had to go before we paid him.  

45 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

You and me both. I texted my guy pissed about this and his other text. He texted me last night, he got a bad feeling about Cam which is why I created that thread. He should have said it was for freaking garbage. 

Your guy really sold you a bill of goods.  Here's what he said through you for the benefit of the sweaty readers:

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He’s being told that Cam has drawn the most interest of ANY player on the market. As every NBA team has made an inquiry. I’ve been told the price is exceptionally high considering what they want to trade him for. I’ve been told there is a chance he could be moved but do not bet on it.

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I am told every NBA team has made an offer for Reddish. None have made a significant one.

Exceptionally high price??  I'm not sure I can really read this stuff anymore, no offense as I know you just share what you hear.  But that bad info I'm sure fed into your prediction, which may have been a touch off:

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Supes Trade Deadline predictions:

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5.      Cam Reddish, yes Cam Reddish will NOT be traded. He is the most wanted man in this trade deadline period in terms of offers but if Atlanta continues to seek high value, the chances of trading Reddish is low.

 

Can someone lock this dumbass thread already?

11 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Cam never came across like a pro.  Just a weird dude who doesn't have the mentality to be a net positive player.  Way worse than Josh Smith, and we talk about him like he's a bonehead.  At least Josh is top 5 in almost every stat for all time numbers of our franchise: points, blocks, steals, rebounds, etc. 

Never understood why Cam got so much love.    

Hype beast nba culture is the answer to your last statement.

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

Here's my thinking.

 

Kevin Knox is a trade piece. 

Him and Gallanari represents almost 26 Million dollars with 20 Millon off the books for next season.   You add Bogi... you're talking about 44 Million dollars in trade. 

Here it is..

We're trading for Russell Westbrook.

Gallo, Bogi, and Knox for Westbrook.

 

 

I looked it up....you'd have to wait 60 days to package Knox in a deal.  He could be traded immediately in a straight up 1-1 deal.

I don't think it's so much about Knox.  I mean, I appreciate thecampster trying to support the value of Knox, but he was the salary that fit, and on top of that, he's expiring money.  He could either be resigned cheap, or possibly packaged, although I'm sure there is some sort of waiting period on that.  

2 minutes ago, Watchman said:

How do we know it's the best offer?  You assume it's the best offer.  Sounds like a desperate GM jumping at the first offer that came along.

Oh, you're right.  I'm sure he took one of the middling offers he had after talking throughout the entire league (we have it from Woj and our insiders on here), and rejected better ones.  da fuq?

12 minutes ago, thecampster said:

So a bit of commentary on this trade (not commenting on future trades incoming). 

Knox's rookie year he was 12/4.5 on terrible efficiency but okay 3 point numbers.  Knox can already shoot the 3 and lacked the point guard play in New York to take advantage of his athletic abilities. Knox wasn't TT's type of player. He is not skillless.

Reddish is a good player but was a constant push for coaches having to challenge him, motivate him.  His work he did at the end of last year trailed off once the season started this year. Specifically, the Hawks wanted to keep him and help him mature but not at the cost of paying him what he'd command.  The Reddish camp was adamant at exploring his trade value and Reddish was calling for opportunities to showcase his abilities (to perhaps increase his value). This led to some sloppy inefficient play and rubbed some teammates the wrong way (behind closed doors talk).

 

There are going to be more moves to follow. They're not blowing this thing up but they aren't standing pat either.

 

This is good stuff.  I thought we could do better on a deal too, but apparently I was wrong.  If this was the best deal out there, and we know we talked to most every team, then what else can be said?  I really don't think we are losing a player of winning value in Cam.  But I suppose I've made my opinion clear on that.  Others may differ. 

1 minute ago, Atlantaholic said:

Cameron Johnson has been a super important piece for Phoenix. He's been averaging aroun 17 points on 50% shooting and 30mpg the last 10. 

Yeah, he's got more value than Cam too.  There's not a ton of guys though.  It's didn't work out - sometimes that happens.

1 minute ago, Atlantaholic said:

Great so we blew a top 10 pick on a bum. So happy,. 

There wasn't much else to be had.  You'd have been happy at the time had we picked Tyler Herro?  I mean, he's the only guy I can see with markedly more value that you could have picked there.

Just now, Watchman said:

If Cam's not worth more than an end of the bench player and a first round draft pick that quite possibly will turn into two second rounders, what  does that say about  Schlenk's ability to judge talent?

You may have an argument there!  But i think the trade up for Hunter still looks good and it was very bold.  It was a good try on Reddish, and you have to also say the other SF's who were available (Cameron Johnson, Sekou Doumboya) haven't been better picks.

Just now, Final_quest said:

Terrible net rating, too.  This board loves him, but I think everyone is crazy.  This is the best we could get and it shows how much the league values him.  

Cam was and continues to be dogshit.  I stand by everything I ever said about him.  30 NBA GM's just ratified it.

IMO, we are selling high on Cam and Schlenk will be vindicated.  This should help sink our rival Knicks as well.

Just now, Atlantaholic said:

That doesn't make it a good deal. 

Yeah, it does.  If that's his value, what else can you say?

If this is the value of Cam straight up, he's not magically going to fetch more value in a package deal.

The pick will be way easier to package, even though it's a shit pick.

Knox is only to make the salary work.  He's barely hanging on to an NBA roster.

2 minutes ago, BangHolman said:

Right on with the value we've been hearing from our insiders in a Cam only deal.

As far as packaging in a larger trade, it's easier to package a pick than a player.  We already have plenty of outgoing salary we can use.  So let's see where this goes, if there is another shoe to drop.

At the least, you can see how Reddish was truly valued internally.  Hunter is the guy.

42 minutes ago, shakes said:

that seems extremely light for Simmons, but I would do it in a heartbeat.

I thought Philly was playing hardball with everyone.  No way we are getting Simmons that cheap, right?

7 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/2021-nba-free-agency-live-updates-news-analysis-trades/Sv5IIlL9fSee

Delusional cat. That's a clear overpay. 

I kinda wished we didn't put an offer on the table first, but I suppose they are trying to show respect.

Fact is there isn't anyone out there who could fit us like JC.  He can be productive without demanding the ball.  He's a 40% 3FG shooter who can also play above the rim.  125 ORtg, 112Drtg player.  A big contributor to winning basketball.  Was impressed with him when asked to guard Giannis. 

And a big plus, that nobody ever mentions, is that he IS HERE and HAS BEEN here.  We've got chemistry and we know it works.  We continue to grow together as a team, that has real value.  You plug in someone else and you're taking a chance and a risk.  It often doesn't work.