AtlHomer
-
Posts
213 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Store
Events
Blogs
Gallery
Posts posted by AtlHomer
-
-
I figure it will take a few weeks to work out the chemistry. However, we have exchanged a High BBIQ with a High BBIQ... Bibby is a coaches so and so is Hinrich. I don't think it will take Hinrich long to figure things out. The real question is defense. If this 6'4" PG can bring a high level of defense, we may be able to shut down other Pgs dominating us. We have made a really good move here. All eyes should now be focused on Smoove. With him not having to cover for Bibby, Smoove should be able to defend his man more successfully.
Several negative comments about this trade did not factor in the impact Hinrich can have on the rest of the team, especially on the defensive end. If he can help reduce the amount of dribble penetration, that puts less pressure on the back line defenders allowing them to play straight up on their man. Subtle point but very important in the overall scheme.
-
Thanks nire. I can honestly say I appreciate and value posts by you, crawful and coachx the most. Its good to have reasonable and intelligent voices around here.
+1 on the original post...
Add me to the list of those that agree with this reasoned post! You stripped out the emotion and presented great insight.
-
Things you should know about Kirk.
VERY VERY VERY High BBIQ.
Makes those around him better.
Can create his own shot.
Can create his own 3 shot.
Good crossover.
Great passing lanes defender.
Career bests:
PPG: 2007 - 16.6 ppg
APG: 2004 - 6.8 APG
RPG: 2005 - 4.0 RPG
SPG: 2005 -1.6 SPG
T/O: 2009 -1.5 T/O / G
3PT%: 2007 - 41.5%
FG%: 2011 - 45.1%
The "demise" of Hinrich began in 2007-2008 when the Bulls acquired Larry Hughes. This left the Bulls with Hughes, Ben Gordon, Chris Duhon and Kirk Hinrich. Hinrich's minutes dropped from 36 minutes to 29 minutes a game. The team did not earn a playoff birth and Scott Skiles lost his job.
2008-2009 was the first year of Derrick Rose which led to Hinrich heading to the bench.
Prior to the 2007-2008 season, Hinrich's number were
15.1 PPG, 6.5 APG, 1.3 Steals, .3 blocks, 2.4 T/O. 41.2 percent shooting and 38% from 3 averaging 36 minutes a game (this was his first 4 years in the league).
His reduction in production is directly related to 2 things...first...a move to combo guard instead of playing the 1 exclusively, 2nd a reduction in minutes due to acquired personnel/a few nagging injuries.
His career per 36 is almost exactly his first 4 year averages.
Feb 5th Kirk came off the bench against Atlanta for 13 points, 4 reb, 4 assists and 1 steal in 27 minutes. On Nov 25, he started at shooting guard and scored 8 points with 1 rebound and 1 assist in 24 minutes against the Hawks. On October 30 he started at SG alongside John Wall and scored 8 points, 3 rebounds and had 4 assist (3 steals) in 41 minutes.
Summary, in 3 games against the Hawks he struggled to score when matched against JJ but still rebounded and had assists from the SG position and managed 4 steals. Kirk excels when he plays the point exclusively as shown by the first 4 years of his career. This is a great move guys.
Good to see real and reasoned facts with a post! Good job as the Hawks have made an improvement at PG with this trade.
-
Don't respond till you've had time to think this through.
The Carmelo trade created an interesting situation in Minnesota. In New York, Eddy Curry was left on the IR (ala speedy claxton) to collect the insurance. Per Minny's GM, Curry will either be traded or released.
If Curry is released and assuming he's healthy, would you take him for the vet minimum for the year?
3 years ago before the injuries he was a 19 point, 7 rebound center. he's 290 lbs and is a big body that can eat up space in the middle moving Al and Josh down without giving up anyone.
I'd take a flyer on him for the vet minimum. A change of venue might do him well,. The Hawks were interested in Curry before he signed his last contract.
-
That was posted at 7:38 PM last night so I don't think that is anything new or anything that's been confirmed by any legit sources but I'm certainly in favor of it.
I would be in favor of this also. If there is any truth to it, hopefully it will get done. I do have to ask, why would Cleveland do this deal.
I believe the Hawks have put themselves in a postion where they have to make a move. Not making a move sends a bad message to the fan base regarding their committment to improving and competing for a championship. It is pretty clear that this team cannot win a championship.
-
To my fellow Hawksquawker's who have much love for the Atlanta Hawks and want to see them be a better team:
Now with all that said and assuming we all agree here. Lets take a vote (Im not going to do a poll). What makes more sense to get at the time, trading for a pg or for a center?
personally knowing we need some points in the paint, some penetration and just because Im sick of seeing every point guard in the NBA being able to penetrate the Lane on us I say we trade for a PG. Everybody knows we need some inside scoring most preferring a Post inside scorer, thats fine but I feel a penetrating point guard cannot only drive the lane and put it in the basket but also create for the BIGS we already have.
Also to add to this what BIG can we even get to help with inside scoring that we know is avaliable?.....There's either none or....none but there is quite a few PG's that we can get that can penetrate and play better defense than bibby So asking for a BIG right now or even hoping for one seems a bit silly to me cause there isnt one that is really avaliable!
I agree with the point of your post. It is probably easier to acquire an improvement at PG rather than Center at this time. I believe Bibby can be effective however because there is not an adequate backup, he is wearing down. Trading for a penetrating PG will provide a new dimension to the team. If they can also play better perimeter defense, it can also reduce the number of easy baskets by our opponents and possibly lower their shooting percentage against the Hawks.
We can only hope that they Hawks make a move before the trade deadline. At a minimum, it would create additional excitement for the team.
-
You are right that he will be a restricted FA this offseason and may be retained. Houston is certainly looking to keep their options open.
The fact that he very publicly was upset at the lack of an extension and the fact that they have now benched him makes me question very, very strongly why in the world they would value him like a Josh Smith, though. The fact that he is putting up career-worst numbers this season doesn't help either.
Whether it is Harris, Brooks, or Sessions, I think most Hawks fans agree the a changes is necessary. Improvement at the PG position can have a postive impact throughout the lineup, both offensively and defensively. Let's hope Sund can make a deal that will improve the team.
-
Sessions has put up mediocre stats for terrible teams for his whole career. The NBA is not the same as NBA2k. You can't look at NBA.com stat sheets and make a decent comparison.
Are you suggesting that Sessions could be the second coming of Reggie Theus?
-
Sessions has been balling. Defense or no defense, shooting or no shooting the guy has been outperforming any of our PG´s by a ridiculous margin the last few months. I'm not sure why Cleveland would trade him to us though.
If Sessions could help by penetrating to the basket to both put pressure on the other teams's bigs and creating easier scoring opportunities for our bigs, that is a plus. If he can play some semblance of perimeter defense, that would make him that much more valuable.
Either way, it could reduce the number of minutes that Bibby would have to play thus making him more effective also. This could be a 'win win' for the Hawks if they can acquire him.
-
1
-
-
Roster and owners are set and satisfied.
No changes. If there are changes, they will be small, minor deals for end of the bench type.
The team as it is currently built cannot compete for a conference championship much less an NBA title. If ASG is serious about making the next step, they will need to make some type of move to improve the team. While a big man is desirable, it may be easier to get a quality PG that can play good perimeter defense. That could take a lot of pressure off of our bigs and improve our overall team defense.
Would the team be willing to give up Jamal and a piece to get this done then move Marvin permanently to the 2nd unit? This score offset the loss of the top 6 man in the league by having Bibby and Marvin come off the bench if the PG they acquire can plug holes in the defense.
-
Ten Trade Rumors flying under the radar
According to this speculative article, Andre Miller (Por), Aaron Brooks (Hou) and Devin Harris (NJ) may be available before the trade deadline. Do any of them have appeal for the Hawks? If so, why kind of package would it take to get them.
IMO, I have always like Devin Harris and think he could provide the kind of slasher and perimeter defense that the team needs. Supposedy he is in the doghouse in NJ. Would they be interested in Jamal's expiring contract?
-
Yeah he's from Atlanta. I actually played with him on my middle school basketball team and as a result I am inclined to say NO! :thumbsdownsmileyanim: No the Hawks should not bring him in lol. Not just for the gun charge thing but the kid is an absolute idiot, tries too hard to be cool (ghetto) and that's the last thing we need in the locker room. Especially with Josh there. Not a josh hater but it's obvious what I mean.
For the sake of trivia, wasn't Crit the PG on that AAU national championship Atlanta Celtics team with Howard, Morris, and Smith?
-
I don't see that package netting Sessions. Sessions is only 2 years older than Teague.
This is more like it:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ja8zwd
Sessions can be or PG and Jamsion can take over where Craw left off as our sixth man.
PG Sessions/Bibby
SG JJ/Jordan Craw
SF Marvin/Antawn Jamison
PF Smoove/Antawn Jamison/Powell
C Horf/Zaza
Interesting trade as Cleveland gets a young PG and expiring contracts. Given they will be rebuilding, it might have appeal to them.
FWIW, DWilkins would probably be the backup SG instead of JCrawford. Offense from Bibby and Jamison while Wilkins provides the defensive energy.
-
I understand we just gave him the big money but do yall think he would reconstructure his contract ala Peyton Manning in order for the best of the team. I mean he got 120 million and ive never had anything close but im sure he could do without some of that. That would free up cap space and if he's serious about winning then that wouldnt be a problem so we could acquire a true big man!
Easy answer, NO!!!
-
3rd career triple double and some very solid play helped lead us to our 3rd straight easy win over a 4 day period and I have to say I feel a lot better about us than I did prior to Thursdays game. Of course these aren't great teams that we're beating but the Knicks and Raptors have played well lately and the Wizards only lost to the Magic by a point yesterday so it says something about us that we've been able to win comfortably against all 3. It also says that we really must not have been trying during that losing run we had and hopefully we've realized that we are capable of winning when we put the effort in.
I'm definitely ready to see this team play against the upper tier teams to see if we can maintain this level of effort.
It was tough keeping up with this game while the Falcons were playing. The parts I did see involved Josh making good plays. As Dolfan said, let's see this same kind of play against the upper tier teams.
Today was an Atlanta day! Go Hawks! Go Falcons!
-
I don't think Jack is an answer for us. I just think he's beloved because he graduated from Ga Tech. Kyle Lowry is a guy we need to really consider. Raymond Felton also.
Stuckey? We're trying to make this squad worse off? What would be the point?
What's not to like about Stuckey? A 6'5" PG with a 2 to 1 assist/turnover ratio that can also score? Again, this was more rumor than anything else but if there was a sliver of possibility to it, the Hawks perimeter defense would greatly improve.
IMO, that's one of the teams weaknesses at this point. We can score with anyone but can we stop people from driving to the hoop and putting pressure on our big men?
-
I know many of us wanted him, but o well. :help wanted3:
Just read about this on ESPN. FWIW, the speculation of Crawford/Teague to Detroit for Prince/Stuckey has more appeal, if there was any semblance of truth to this.
-
1
-
-
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/aug/21/terry-mosher-community-leaders-usher-a-new-life/
BREMERTON —
For nearly 33 years, Bishop Larry Robertson of Bremerton’s Emmanuel Apostolic Church has ministered to the faithful and the not-so-faithful. It is a calling he may not have imagined growing up in eastern Texas, but here he is — trying to bring together a diverse community that has seen economic trouble even in the best of times, which certainly isn’t the case with the current Great Recession.
Being raised close to the Louisiana border in Tyler may not have been as hardscrabble as it could have been in rugged west Texas, though Texans tend to be tough no matter where they are rooted. That toughness in the 59-year-old Robertson can be tested at times when trying to do the right and good thing. But Robertson and his congregation are trying through the church’s New Life program — the social arm of Emanuel Apostolic, not to be confused with the newlife group of churches in Kitsap — to lend a helping hand in the city wherever it is needed, regardless of color or ethnicity, by whatever means possible.
Those efforts will be helped tremendously by the Marvin Williams Center, planned for completion in 2012. The center was Robertson’s idea, and he has seen enough to know what a positive environment it would provide and how much that could impact the lives of those who need guidance and structure in their lives.
Williams, who will soon start his sixth year in the NBA with the Atlanta Hawks, grew up in Bremerton. He attended Armin Jahr Elementary and Mountain View Middle School before graduating from Bremerton High in 2004.
In his youth, the 24-year-old Williams knew what it was like to have little and to be classified “at-risk.”
“I was that kid who was poor, who didn’t have much,” said Williams in a recent phone conversation, laughing at the thought the listener didn’t know better. “My dad (Marvin Sr.) was always working, my mom (Andrea Gittens) worked two jobs, my grandmother (Barbara Phillips) was always working. All I knew was there were days I didn’t see my mother. By the time she got home I would be sleeping.
“So I was that kid.”
What kept Williams straight and grounded was his father, mother and grandmother making sure he knew what was right, what he could do, what he couldn’t do, and what the consequences were if he did something that wasn’t approved. It wasn’t easy, though, and the temptations can be too much for those who aren’t similarly grounded.
That’s why the efforts of a few are important.
For instance, efforts like the Bremerton Jaguars athletic program, which returned to the city in 2010 after a 12-year break.
Miah Davis, a Bremerton grad who plays professionally in Europe, hosted a basketball camp. Davis’s mother, Mildred, was involved with restarting a Jaguars track team along with Tim Lavin, who led the program in the 1990s.
Years later, the motivation remained the same: bring kids together to help them succeed and go places and see things they may not otherwise.
The reborn Jaguars were sponsored by New Life, which paid for shoes, equipment and entry fees.
“This was the pastor’s idea to start it back up,” Mildred Davis said. “He thought we had done a lot of good (the first time around). We had some parents and some children who had turned their lives around. He wanted us to get the children back involved and off the streets.”
Maybe it’s too easy to say some kids in our greater community don’t have the opportunity to fulfill dreams, and let it go at that. Some might say it’s not my concern. But it is true that some families just don’t get around much, don’t get the larger opportunities most take for granted. And there are people like Robertson, Williams, Lavin, and Mildred Davis and her husband Victor, who are eager to jump in for those who don’t have the same chances.
That is why there is great anticipation in the community for the construction of the building-that-Marvin-will-have-built near downtown Bremerton. Williams grew up in Robertson’s church, still has occasional phone conversations with the bishop, and has been a huge supporter of Emanuel Apostolic.
The center will be the most visible evidence.
“The center is for the kids,” Williams said. “Growing up there was not much for us to do, there wasn’t a lot of positive role models. Our escape was basketball. It’s the only thing that kept us together.”
Williams talks about close friends like Phil Houston, Ian Mateikat, Josh Johnson. They hung out together and kept each other glued to the straight and narrow. When Williams started to show the basketball talent that would allow him to escape to a better place, those friends kept him from straying.
“There were times I would be out late, but I never did anything you weren’t supposed to do,” Williams said. “And when there was something going on, I separated. I was fortunate to have a friend like Phil who would never let me get into things that would keep me from going to college and to the NBA, and some kids don’t have that.”
“Some kids don’t have a friend to do that, or a father living in the house. My dad didn’t live in the house, but he was still a great dad.”
The center — ground will be broken in February and it is scheduled to be ready to open in June of 2012 — won’t be the panacea for every social, economic and racial ill in the community. But it does bring hope that those less privileged will have a place where dreams can be massaged in a positive way.
“We try to be, and want to be, helpful,” Robertson said. “We want to be positive, and we are trying to be servants. That is what motivates us. The main key is to be able to give these kids access, give them help and bring them together across ethnicity and cultural lines and inspire them.”
“One of the things we focus on is to help kids, the underprivileged and deprived. We don’t care what color they are. What we try to do is serve the community. Our motivation is just not to bring them in to our church. Our motivation is to serve.”
Robertson calls the church effort through New Life “The Westside Story.” In addition to the Jaguars and the planned center there is a concerted to improve the nutrition of youth, primarily in West Bremerton neighborhoods. The church partners with Poulsbo’s Martha and Mary to serve meals during the summer months to kids who get free or reduced breakfast and lunch during the school year.
All this effort is to shine light on the “darkness” many of us don’t experience or gladly ignore because it would make us feel guilty to think about it. That darkness brings out undesirable elements — “Midnight Cowboys,” Robertson calls them — that prowl the streets.
Robertson says drug use was part of the neighborhood near his church on Sixth Street. That is, until the church’s readerboard pointed the finger at them with the phrase: “You are not going to do drugs here.”
But the Midnight Cowboys are out there. Social workers and police are most aware. It’s almost like there are two layers in society: the people who work and live by daylight and the people who wake as dusk settles in.
It’s this aspect that Robertson is determined to fight.
“You have to take charge of your community,” he said. “You have to put kids in position where they are not full of hate and gloom and doom and self-destructive behavior. You just don’t tolerate that. So we have a lot of work to do. We can’t give them over to the Midnight Cowboys.”
He was motivated to be a community servant when he was helping promote an education levy and visited homes to talk about it. He discovered poverty, deprivation and dysfunction he didn’t know existed. The alarming situations he saw, he says, cut across all colors and ethnicity.
“I saw some bad sights,” Robertson said.
The man who saw some of this growing up in Texas is determined to help out and find solutions.
“The Midnight Cowboys are turned off by the light,” says Robertson, whose overall goal as pastor and community leader is to build a local society where, “People love God and are independent economically so they can enjoy a quality life — spiritually and naturally — and be good dads and good moms.”
Williams is extremely happy to be involved. He calls Bremerton home, and comes back whenever time allows. He recently went to Africa with NBA Basketball Without Borders and is scheduled to be back in town late this month for a short visit and to celebrate Houston’s music album debut at the South Pacific Bar and Grill.
“It definitely will help me feel good once (the center) is built,” Williams said. “I can say I have done something for the community. I was born and raised in Bremerton and to be able to give back to the community is going to be huge. When I come back every summer I still live in the same place. I’m not like the guy who makes the NBA and never comes back to his hometown.
”Nobody can say that about me.”
Good find! This definite;y provides more insight to Marvin the person.
-
I'm not sure it's worth it, T-Mac had two workouts with the Clips and Bulls, two teams in need of G/Fs and he walked away without a contract. I heard rumblings about his attitude and that he was limping through his Bulls workout. He may or may not be done but an Iversonesque attitude aint helping his cause.
You are absolutely correct! There is a reason those teams did not sign McGrady. He is not the same player from his Toronto/Orlando days. The Hawks need better perimeter and low post defenders, not more offense.
-
This offseason may be looked back on one of the worst in the history of the franchise and not because of Joe.
- Maybe not the worst, but certainly the most BLAH
We are 17 days into the offseason and 9 into the signing period. As expected, the A level free agents have signed. The B & C free agents are being signed now, Many are still available inlcuding Shaq, Miller, and other center candidates.
You've already made a determination of the entire offseason for the Hawks given above? I thought slow and steady wins the race...
-
Where did Shaq go?
Ye of little faith. Until Shaq signs with someone else, he is still in play and an option for the Hawks. Articles in SI indicated he may have to lower his demands to the veterans minimum of 1/9 million/year to get more offers. I would think the Hawks could offer a larger slice of the MLE if it gets to that and he wants to play for a contender.
-
Read this:
he Orlando Magic will match Chicago's three-year, $19 million offer sheet for guard J.J. Redick.
The Magic will make their intention known Friday – the last possible day -- but NBA sources familiar with the front-office thinking of the Magic confirmed their decision Thursday afternoon.
"They aren't letting go of J.J.,'' said the source.
This move will put The Magic's payroll at around $84 million and cost them $15 million in Luxury Tax payments with one player to sign to reach the 13-man roster requirement.
Our cheap ownership won't even spend the MLE to get up TO the luxury tax and Orlando's ownership is happily paying the luxury tax to retain ROLE PLAYERS. Otis Smith and SVG asked the ownership to keep Reddick and they complied. THAT is how you run a team that wants to win titles. It is sickening to see teams like this in our own DIVISION go out and spend well into the luxury tax and our ownership won't do anything but keep our roster together. A roster that can NOT make it past the second round.
:help wanted3:
Something else interesting from the article that fans should ponder,
But Redick gives Orlando a formidable backup shooting guard who has steadily improved to the point where he perhaps may be a future starter.
The former Duke standout was the 11th overall pick in the 2006 draft. He struggled early in his NBA career but has become a key contributor for the Magic.
They did not give up on Redick when some called for him to be traded or even released.
-
I know, I know... another Shaq topic.
I'm just trying help to keep everyone up to date on what is going on.
I saw the MC report but I think it's the Hawks calling Shaq's bluff. I don't think they are going to trade Marvin for him. I don't think they are going to give him 7 to 8mil either.
But they will give him around 3 to 4mil for two years. I think Shaq is going to take it too. I just don't see anyone giving him more than that and his pickens are running very low.
The Hawks will get him. I'm starting to believe he will not get a starting job.
http://twitter.com/stephenasmith
No disrespect to MC but I believe Stephen A Smith and 3D when they say Hawks will be the team that Shaq will come join.
Good information! Looks like we are in a full fledged 'Shaq watch' mode now. Like most, I'd like to see this get done sooner rather than later but I can wait if we can get him at a good price.
Any thoughts on what the possible impact of a lockout might have on him for year 2? Given that he indicated he may want a farewell tour, that could end up being the upcoming season.
-
So let's overpay Shaq so he can guard the 2-3 centers that Al struggles with. We are going to overspend on a position that we don't have a dire need for contrary to popular opinion, yet we are going to trade our best perimeter defender on a poor perimeter defending team to get him. This makes a lot of sense, but this organization and the fans have been infatuated with getting a so called "true center" that they are ignoring what this team really needs - perimeter defenders.
Finally, a voice of reason emerges from the blog....
Coach Drew allowed Josh Smith to give game to the Bulls...
in Homecourt
Posted
I wondered the exact same thing and wondered why LD didn't pull him after the third consecutive bonehead play. This team is seriously flawed if they believe the power forward can play around the 3 point line and not around the basket. It's bad enough they take too many outside shots and not drive to attempt to go to the free throw line to change momentum.