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  1. 4 minutes ago, JTB said:

    We are going to get bertans over the off season . I just can’t help but to believe that 

    Agreed. After addressing Center with Capela and dealing Len and Parker to get Dedmon they need a stretch 4 to replace Parker's role better than he performed it

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  2. 5 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

    Absolutely, nothing is worse than drafting some overrated ball hogging college combo guard.

    How about trading a second round pick like the Hawks did way back to get a first rounder with a guaranteed contract? most likely could have used the 2nd rounder on him. Dan Dickau.  I think it was the same draft they passed up TP along with many other teams.

  3. 1 minute ago, macdaddy said:

    If you like needles not moving.

    Sometimes intangible effects can move needles.  I am of the thought Dedmon made Len and others better with those effects...  We got rid of a serious locker room negative in Turner, and added high character guy with talent like Capela, and locker room positive in Ded.

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  4. 2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

      

    Jeff is kinda washed though. Of all of the players who can be replaced in the off-season, he's on the list. Goodwin isn't a backup PG. He can't run the show. He's more of an undersized SG who makes excellent decisions and has high BBIQ like Mack. Teams PnR heavy like Atlanta can't use Goodwin as a backup. Most teams can't. Backup PG is a spot where running the offense is critical or you don't have one. 

    I think we need to give Jeff a little more rope.. to either hang himself or show what he has got.  I think we will get a better idea with Ded in the rotation, he knows the offense and can help stabilize things with the 2nd unit Jeff plays with.

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  5. 1 minute ago, sturt said:

    Okay. Sold. Somehow I completely glossed over the fact that Mike D'Antoni is the head coach, and conventional wisdom is not his thing, never has been. That's not a criticism, btw. We share Marshall Thundering Herd DNA. I love the guy.

    I should have added - I think they will need more interior D for the playoffs to replace the above average player they got rid of in that area. 

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  6. 1 hour ago, marco102 said:

    If his boss doesn't want to pay luxury tax, then it makes perfect sense.

    The Rockets 10-1 record experience success going away from pick and roll and toward ISO which are the strengths of having both Harden and Westbrook on the team has more to do with it than LT or Capela's foot issue. Also they feel they need wing defense for the playoffs more than they need interior defense

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  7. 3 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

    That may be so.  The China tweet by Morey hurt their franchise, more than anyone else.  He basically undid 15 years of the Yao Ming effect, in less than 100 characters.  If the league itself lost an estimated 150 - 200 million, how much of that did the Rockets lose on their own?

    As far as the Capela trade. they're 10 - 1 without him in the lineup, and have fully committed to playing small ball.  That ain't gonna get it done vs the bigger athletic teams like the Lakers or Nuggets in the playoffs, but playing ultra small does open up everything for Harden and Westbrook on the dribble drive.  

    When Boston was rumored to get Capela, I low key got concerned because Boston was more than likely offering up a guy like Grant Williams ( an undersized PF height wise who can play small ball C ), as part of the deal.  Good thing they weren't able to sneak in at the last minute.

    New Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta has gotten a reputation for being "cheap", and not making the moves to keep Houston contending more concerned about salary cap.

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  8. 16 hours ago, Buzzard said:

    We have several needs that are easy to pin point. No particular order.

    1- One or two shooters to help out our woeful three point shooting. Currently last ( 30th ) in the league at 32.4%: but our coach loves shooting threes as we rank 8th in attempts. So this needs to be fixed 🤣

    2- A center and back up power forward to help out with our woeful rebounding. Crazy buts it true, we are currently 24th across the board in all three categories: Offensive, Defensive, and Total rebounding.

    3- A BU PG. I have zero problem with signing Teague for a few years; this is probably the hardest position to fill out of next seasons FA crop. Its probably why Schlenk chased Teague in the 1st place.

    I think we could sign 3 or 4 players out of this free agent crop to help us; and since we have so many needs, I have zero problem with BPA in the draft once again.

    corrected after trade 🙂

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  9. 22 minutes ago, enrique said:

    Does anyone have the article from the athletic? I don't have an account...

     

    What a Clint Capela trade could mean for the Hawks and John Collins

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    By Chris Kirschner Feb 4, 2020comment-icon@2x.png 20 save-icon@2x.png

    John Collins hasn’t tweeted anything since late October, but he’s on Twitter daily. As a fan of the game, he tries to stay up to date with news across the league and is fascinated with how other teams are trying to build their teams in hopes of getting a championship this year and the years ahead.

    He said last week his predictive powers about what’s going to happen at the trade deadline normally became true the past two years. Maybe his trade senses aren’t as prescient as he believes because he didn’t expect to click on a story from The Athletic’s Shams Charania and see his name mentioned.

    “I was intrigued. I clicked on it and wanted to see what people had to say,” Collins said. “I wanted to see the comments. I wasn’t happy or sad about it. I was just more interested in my name being in talks. It’s fun. I know my value with how I’m playing, and I know what I bring to this team. I’m not really too concerned with my standing with them. I haven’t said anything to them about it. I’m pretty calm on my end.”

    He then went on Twitter to see what people were saying about him being involved in talks. He saw overwhelming support from Hawks fans, which gave him comfort knowing how loved he is by a fan base, which mostly stuck by his side after his 25-game suspension earlier this season that instantly cratered any hopes the team had of making the playoffs.

    He also saw several different trade structures for teams across the league from fans, which made him laugh because many of the ones he saw couldn’t work because of the salary complications due to the rules of the NBA’s Collective Bargaining Agreement. Yes, he is that in tune with the league as a whole.

    This is the first time in his three seasons that he has seen his name mentioned in any reporting surrounding the trade deadline, and he’s neutral about his feelings. Collins believes it can be taken in either a good or bad way with how you choose to view it.

    “I must be doing something right if other teams are calling about me,” Collins said. “But there’s no concern on my end with my relationship with the organization. I damn right want to be here. I haven’t gone to them about anything trade-related. I am going to continue my standing with that and keep everything solid and smooth and continue to play good basketball. It’s all about being a professional. I know it comes with the job, especially at this time of the year. All of that is definitely talked about in the basketball world.”

    A league source mentioned Houston and Brooklyn specifically expressing interest in acquiring Collins in the days leading up to the trade deadline. Teams that have had discussions with the Hawks have come under the belief that Atlanta is not interested in moving Collins at this time unless it is blown away by an offer, which doesn’t seem like the case 48 hours to go until the deadline. That same source said Houston wanted Collins to be included in a deal for Capela so it could have a logical and cheaper replacement that offers the team a lob threat it would be losing. Brooklyn’s Spencer Dinwiddie was mentioned in talks, but it’s unclear how advanced those discussions were. It’s known around the league that the Hawks are still trying to figure out the best player to pair with Trae Young in the backcourt as they figure out if Kevin Huerter or Cam Reddish could grow into that role.

    The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor reported late Monday night that the Rockets, Minnesota Timberwolves and Hawks had discussed a package that would have sent Capela to the Hawks, the Brooklyn first-round pick the Hawks own to the Timberwolves and Robert Covington to the Rockets. Evan Turner would have been the expiring salary sent to Minnesota. Those talks ceased late in discussions as the Wolves were trying to go all in for Golden State’s D’Angelo Russell, but the Warriors declined their offer.

    Atlanta has been trying to acquire a center ahead of Thursday’s deadline with the Hawks being linked to Detroit’s Andre Drummond, Oklahoma City’s Steven Adams, Sacramento’s Dewayne Dedmon and Capela at certain times during the past month. One league source told The Athletic that Drummond made it clear that if he was traded, Atlanta would have been a preferred destination. The Hawks decided to not part ways with the Brooklyn first-round pick they own to acquire him. They could circle back to Drummond in free agency if he chooses to opt out of his player option and they can’t make a move for any of the centers listed above. A source with knowledge of Oklahoma City’s thinking believes Adams is going to stay put with the Thunder ahead of the deadline.

    That leaves Dedmon and Capela as two options for the Hawks. Logistically, Dedmon makes more sense for Atlanta if it considers Collins a long-term option. Dedmon provides rim protection and, critically, can stretch the floor and not get in Collins’ way in the paint. A pairing of Capela and Collins gets a little convoluted on offense for everyone. Both players’ best skill is rolling to the basket, and that would, in turn, create too crowded of a space as Young drives to the basket. It would help the Hawks defensively because while Collins at the 5 works in smaller lineups, it wouldn’t in a matchup with a team that employs a traditional big man like Philadelphia’s Joel Embiid.

    “What I’ve noticed about Coach (Lloyd) Pierce is that he gives his bigs a lot of freedom,” said Alykhan Bijani, one of The Athletic’s Rockets writers. “But with Capela, like you said, he’s more of a traditional pick-and-roll center. Will that exclusively put Collins around the perimeter to be more of a pick-and-pop player? Defensively, I think it helps. Collins is likely better defensively at the 4 and helping from the weak-side. Clint can stay around the rim and defend the pick-and-roll as the 5. Clint has been good this season, to me at least, when Houston plays their drop coverage. They’ve wanted to keep him around the rim as much as possible. His rebounding numbers are very good.”

    A move for Capela likely wouldn’t hurt the Hawks’ lottery chances this year. Capela has been out with a bruised heel, and as The Athletic’s Kelly Iko reported Monday, Capela is dealing with plantar fasciitis. Because the Hawks are likely not making the playoffs barring something unforeseen, that shouldn’t hinder their plans of acquiring him like it would for a team like Boston, which also has been linked to Capela ahead of the deadline.

    When Atlanta does become a playoff team once again, having Capela would help Young when that time comes. The playoffs are more intense and physical. Because of Young’s size, the wear and tear he would undertake in the playoffs could be a concern. He’s already blitzed and double-teamed nearly every game the Hawks play. Having someone like Capela in the middle of the offense could help Young and the Hawks as a team. Capela also helps the Hawks on the other end of the floor because of Young’s defensive limitations. Having a reliable big man at the rim when a guard inevitably gets by Young is what the Hawks need for their long-term future.

    “Capela sets wide screens, which is important,” Bijani said. “He has a wide base and is long, so he often doesn’t need more than two steps to get to the rim on rolls. He struggles in short roll situations because he’s inconsistent as a passer, but he’s improved on hitting the corner shooter when teams trap (James) Harden. So since teams have been hedging and trapping Trae more, Clint has shown the ability to make a pass. Where he has been incredibly consistent, but shown flashes, is his aggressiveness attacking the rim on these bounce passes. He is very spry, lengthy and has a great second jump. He struggles around contact but is still shooting a great 60-plus percent around the rim. I personally think he’ll help him a lot in transition with how the (Hawks) play. Clint is very good at quick hitters and actions like what the Hawks run. He is also very fast and gives a lot of traditional center problems because of his speed.”

    Capela is only 25 years old and fits the timeline of the other young players the Hawks have in their core. He’s also under contract until the summer of 2023. He makes $14.9 million this season and is owed $51.3 million during the next three seasons.

    Collins is eligible for a rookie extension this offseason that wouldn’t kick in until the summer of 2021. He’s expected to ask for a deal that is near or at the max, according to multiple league sources. The Hawks could decide that he’s not worth that price and explore trading him this summer, much like what they did with Taurean Prince last summer. They also could see how a Capela and Collins frontcourt works for the rest of the season when Capela is healthy if they end up getting a deal done by the deadline at 3 p.m. on Thursday. But, to be clear, Collins is not being dangled in any trade discussions from Atlanta before Thursday. Any reporting that suggests otherwise is inaccurate.

    Acquiring Capela would be interesting for Collins’ future with Atlanta, however, because Collins essentially would have to evolve his game into more of a pick-and-pop player, as Bijani said, unless the Hawks decided to stagger their minutes. While Collins has the capability to pick-and-pop, as he has shown, it is not his strength. Capela is a non-shooter, so it would be on Collins to play more on the perimeter.

    The Hawks want more of a traditional, defensive anchor to protect the rim, which is something they have struggled with this season. Collins has taken a leap forward defensively this season, but the 4 is where he’s likely to have the most success on both ends of the floor. Damian Jones, who the Hawks thought could be that player when they acquired him from Golden State this summer, is not the answer. Alex Len has shown improvement on defense, but he’s more of a spot starter than one who should be relied on nightly.

    What is clear as the deadline nears is the Hawks are active and looking to improve their roster now and not wait for free agency even though they are projected to have $66 million in cap space.

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  10. 1 minute ago, falconfan13 said:

    I knew their was gonna be 1 person on the realgm forum that was gonna be a debbie downer and poopoo on schlenks trade.  Talking crap about picking hunter and other moves to reach this point.  

    I liked what Schlenk did because no way we needed to bring along 3 first round picks in the same rookie season. Hands already full with 2.

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