OldTimeHawk

Oh , so the criteria is winning championships . So does that make Dominique the same class player Joe as Joe Johnson ? Or Lebron ? Or Wade ? You aren't going to suggest that Joe would be the go to guy on any teams with these guys ? Joe would be a piece .

as one of the best 2 guards in the league, Joe sure doesn't have the stats in this series to back up that claim . Personally , I'd like to see how the team develops with a new coach and Joe still with the team.

but I'm already thinking about next year. Hawks management better bring something in fresh or they will lose the fanbase .

ouch !

ah , no you cant . Wade can carry a team by himself . Lebron can carry a team by himself . Jordon can carry a team , and so could 'Nique . Let me be fair . Perhaps Joe deserves an incomplete , because I really don't think its fair to judge anyone in this travesty of an offense.

I really think we have players on the roster now that under the right coach can develop into great players . We need more size at center ( Would like to see what Collins can actually do as well as Teague given some playing time) . If Joe wants to be here , he will be here . The thing I'm worried about is an ownership group that is unwilling to go out and get us a decent player to replace him ( 15 ppg would do it , would love a pure shooter .)

A new coach with an offensive mind will run this team up and down the court. If we can sign Joe to a reasonable contract , I think we should , but no way in hell do we continue to run the offense exclusively through Joe . If hes hot , get him the ball , if not rotate the ball to the hot hand . Would love to see some inside strength and move Horford to PF

Joe is a nice complimentary player , but not a player to build a team around . Ask around the league , most folks will tell you the same .

They miss him because the offense has been ran exclusively through him for the last 5 years . Kind of hard to have someone be the court leader when the offense is basically give Joe the ball . It seems like he has to have the worst shooting percentage of any of the " superstars" plus he gets absolutely no four calls.

Who the heck was going to step up ? Who got the iso's in just about every regular season game ? You dont wait until a playoff game is on the line to look for other options , you develop them during the course of the season. Pathetic .

Thanks for the welcome . I actually place most of the blame on Woody . The coach is the central figure who doles out playing time , teaches , enforces , motivates. I spent the last couple of years watching him wear out the starters for a few more wins , never developing a bench , and running the offense through Joe J . to a point that others have never developed their offensive games . Once Joe was gone , the Hawks were done , mostly from the " what the hell do we do now attitude " than the lack of ability . It would have been nice during the season to see others that may have the hot hand during a game continue being pumped the ball. I think Woody did the best he is capable of doing , but its either time to let a more experienced coach take over ( which I think will get immediate results ) , or keep Woody and blow it up ( which is crazy because we have crazy talent on this roster ) .

lol , I hear ya , but the Hawks had a chance to shake up their roster too, not just for this year but for next year too , but did nothing. Its disturbing , but the management and ownership group really don't seem committed to anything other than to stay the course. But eventually you have to evaluate a teams weaknesses , and strive to fix them or continue to embrace the role of almost great. 50 game winners and we aren't even close to being an elite team . Discipline is the key ( plus a team concept on offense).

If you look at the season , the Hawks couldnt compete with the top 2 teams , and just slipped past a Boston team that was old and banged up most of the season. In a series , a good coach will exploit discipline and poor work ethic, which is what Skiles has done. Thanks for preping the team Mike, it's time for a real coach to take this team to the next level.

Only thing I can add , is the Bucks coach Skiles has been able to motivate his players and play with the hand that was dealt him . Best thing about this series is the ownership group hasn't given Woody a contract extension and Woody has shown that he can't take this group any further. We still have a good core , we're very atheletic , we just need a coach that will develop a team style offense . I don't think losing Joe Johnson is going to hurt the Hawks , provided we can get at 15 - 15 points a game player back. We have players that can , given the opportunity , be consistant scorers for us , but the offense and the iso Joe plays has hampered this team from developing leadership and their ability to step up in a crisis . I honestly hope for the Hwaks to pull this out , but nothing they have showed me , including the first 2 wins , makes me think they are capable. Look forward to a new coaching search ( and hopefully one with the experience and discipline to put the Hawks over the top.)