yungsta

25 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

why'd he miss so much last year?  I don't remember.  at 28 i like his chances of returning to form.  he's been solid for GS

He was out for personal reasons but outside of his contract year in 2022 he has been a low energy wing that doesn't rebound, play make, and has very inconsistent defense. He has regressed over the past 2 seasons and was benched for a rookie earlier in the season.

It took a strong championship leadership and pending free agency to get to him to play with effort consistently and that lasted only 1 season.

I wouldn't gamble on him. His contract is awful. He is owed about 30m per year for the next 3 years.

38 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Spurs aren't giving us our picks back. Don't be one of those delusional fans. They got us by the short hairs and they know it.

True, those picks are WAAYY more valuable now compared to their perceived value was in 2022. Those picks have real lottery potential now which few people thought at the time. We are NOT getting those picks back.

In 2022 no one knew that Ressler was going to kill the team's depth to save money or how dysfunctional and incompetent the FO  was.

56 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Sounds good.  I think people are skeptical of the execution.  I like the concept in theory.  

If LF/Korver and Quin can have a BUD & Ferry type of relationship where there is a single cohesive vision of how the team should look and play and they have full control every basketball decision with no meddling from Nick/Tony/Trae I'm optimistic.

Non-basketball people meddling is how we got this Frankenstein of a roster.

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Right now we are roughly $10M below the tax line.  There is zero risk of us paying the tax already.  Unlike JC, DM is quite valuable on his contract which looks amazing compared to someone like FVV’s deal. There is no rushing need to deal him other than that you need to reshape the roster.  Unlike the Kev and JC deals, this deal is about where we want to be as a franchise in a few years not about getting off a bad contract or getting under the tax line.  This better be a trade for basketball value not a dump deal where you hope to just get back something.

The insiders are saying there was a reason to why Murray signed the team friendly extension in the offseason. This is pure speculation but there must have been "wink wink" deal with the FO to get him to his desired destination if things went south that came with that extension which is why the FO are quickly & quietly moving him without much of a fight.

Murray could have absolutely put the hawks in a very tough position and get anything he wanted but he did the complete opposite which doesn't make sense to me. He only played here for 1 year, why would he have any loyalty to the hawks? (especially to this FO)

15 minutes ago, Sothron said:

 

I can just say expect him to be gone as early as he eligible to be traded. I also now know why DJM signed the extension. I won't share that until he is no longer a Hawk because it would be moot at that point as to why he signed it. 

Since you can't say it I expect its because Murray signed the extension with a handshake deal with the FO  that if the Trae pairing along with the Quinn hire didn't work out and we get off to a bad start, we would work to send him to his desired destination. Maybe to another organization with a lot of Klutch clients (Lakers?).

That has to be the only explanation to why he signed such a team friendly team because the hawks HAD to work out some kind of deal with him because if Dejounte didn't sign the hawks were going to be screwed. Historically Klutch clients NEVER take discounts.

Reading between the lines, I don't think Hawk fans are going to be too happy with the return IMO but we will see.

16 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Edit: young player PLUS picks is what I am expecting at this point. I also have been told the FO has went from buyers to sellers for several other players now. Only Trae and JJ are safe. This could be a real cleaning out the locker room and making way for rookies and young guys to play the rest of the season.

I'm glad the Hawks are taking this route. The hawks are too far down the standing and the east is too strong to make a short term win now move. Hawks needs to fundamentally rebuild the entire roster to fit Quin's style. No more band aids

I'm guessing going after a 3rd "star" route was no longer feasible once they realize Murray wanted out.

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

You move sga to sg. I don't want this to happen but I can see it 

I don't see it at all. Trae is the complete opposite of a Presti type of player.

If you look at Presti's draft history and how he constructs the roster dating back to the KD & Westbrook days he has always targeted long athletic players that are tall at their position.

Just a reminder this is the offer we were competing against in the 2022 off season for Gobert.

Quote

 Jazz received:

•Malik Beasley
• Patrick Beverley
• Leandro Bolmaro
• Walker Kessler (No. 22 pick in 2022 Draft)
• Jarred Vanderbilt
• 2023 first-round pick
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick
• 2029 first-round pick

1 minute ago, terrell said:

Haliburton is pretty much a lock and his team is now only 2 games ahead in the standings, so another snub this time would be especially infuriating.... 

I don't think he makes it. IMO

The east guard position is extremely deep this year.

This is his competition for a spot and they play on teams with much better records.

• Damian Lillard
• Jaylen Brown
• Jalen Brunson
• Tyrese Maxey
• Donovan Mitchell
• Tyrese Haliburton.

https://x.com/OhhMar24/status/17354111619552

Potential drama brewing between Murray and Quin??

This is exactly what we don't need right now.

29 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

You're telling me we couldn't use this on this team?

 

 

His track record of staying healthy is abysmal

Games played over the last 4 seasons

19-20 season - 24

20-21 season - 61

21-22 season - ZERO

22-23 season - 29

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I just don't believe that for one minute.  They are paying lip service.

Agreed, going "all in" on Murray then dumping salary/talent immediately before the season even started solidified that they have ZERO appetite for the luxury tax. 

If we trade for Siakiam I expect more Kevin Huerter/JC type salary dumps to get under the threshold.

4 hours ago, thecampster said:

Before last season, I was adamant that we ship Clint and what was needed to get Rudy Gobert.  Not sure if anyone has noticed, but Minnesota now has the best record and statistically best defense in the league.

It would be extremely difficult for us to build a complimentary team around a center that is an offensive liability who is making $43M a year especially with an ownership that is as cheap as Ressler.

The t-wolves are going to have a top 3 most expensive roster in the entire NBA at around $200M  next year once Edwards and McDaniels extensions kick in. Their luxury tax bill is going to be insane.

11 minutes ago, AHF said:

I think they would have to have some real discussions whether taking a package like that is better than letting him walk.  Hunter has never produced numbers that justify paying him $20M per and could be viewed as a toxic asset if he doesn't step up (certainly if you put up his RAPTOR or WS or WAR, etc. against his salary it is one of the lowest ratios in the league - which is in part because positional defense doesn't show up in those metrics).  AJ has been garbage this year and made some statements that could be viewed as red flags this summer.  A first is a nice additional asset but the odds of it panning out into something significant given where it would likely land are not very high.  Now a GM might take a much more positive view on any or all of those things but I could see a GM asking whether they would want to have living reminders of a bad trade clogging up their roster for the next 3 or so years.

It might be easier for them to simply clear the cap space and tell the fans they did everything they could to keep Siakam but he unreasonably wanted a full max deal which they couldn't justify and walked away.

If they take a deal like that, though, it will definitely make things interesting the rest of the way and will definitely reveal just how critical Hunter is to our team's defense as it will leave us without any big wing defender.  Will put a big load on JJ to try to start defending that position after focusing on PFs this offseason and YTD.

Siakiam on a max is better than pure cap space IMO especially for a non FA destination like Toronto. We seen plenty of times in the past few seasons that there is no such thing as an unmovable contract especially if its a player who is an all star or produces close to an all star level that can help a contender make a title run.

The competition at the top of the standings is fierce and there is no team that is clearly title favorites so multiple teams could bid for his services in a trade.

The raptors could also easily just keep Siakiam, he isn't toxic to their work environment like a James Harden/Kyrie Irving so there is no rush to kick him off the team.

We don't have much leverage as some would think.

58 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

A lockdown defender at the 2.  And he's not that.  That's on me i guess.  He's a quick defender who gambles a lot but despite his height he's small.  On the defensive end it's not ideal next to Trae which is one reason our perimeter D sucks. 

Dejounte's best defensive back court pairing has always been an elite on ball defender like he had in San Antonio with Derrick White who can guard both SGs and PGs at a high level which allows Dejounte to gamble and roam off ball defensively.

Pairing him with Trae neutralizes his biggest defensively strengths.

The more that I think about it, I honestly don't think the FO or whoever green lighted this trade did any homework on the type of player Dejounte was.

9 hours ago, terrell said:

I really hate what theyve done to my favorite team.. 

Schlenk and now LF..

So many wasted picks and ridiculous contracts over the years

Our depth should be way better than this

And thanks to Murray trade, our future is bleek..

Just damn..

After hearing from the insiders about the dysfunctional ownership, I honestly can't put all of the blame on Schlenk and Fields. Nick Ressler literally had the title president of basketball operations before they backtracked due to bad press.

IMO, this is the result of meddling ownership who is cheap, nepotism, and allowing non-basketball people to make basketball decisions. 

I think Schlenk lost a lot of autonomy after that 2021 playoff run. The whole philosophy of long term team building and asset management/risk management was thrown out the window. It all started during that  2021 off season when some insiders gave insight that people in Trae's camp were strong arming Schlenk to give JC that contract and it went all down hill from there.

3 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

I don't understand why they would trade Bogi.  Has to be salary.  

I think its because of the guard rotation. Trae and Murray are starting and are going to get 35-40 mins each at PG/SG every night and Bogi gets remaining 25 ish mins. If we trade for another guard like Caurso. One of them has to go.

4 hours ago, Jody23 said:

Nah.  They owe some unprotected first rounders to San Antonio.

Yea, we owe our 25 pick and 27 pick with 26 pick swap so the fate of this team is sealed for the next 3 - 4 seasons.

IMO what makes it worst is that by the time we no longer owe picks, Trae and Dejoune will need new contracts so we can't trade them for a rebuilding package prior to that if we wanted to go that route if it doesn't work out.

I never been a fan of the trade from day 1, I completely understand why Schlenk left immediately after being forced by the FO to make that trade.

9 hours ago, bleachkit said:

Coaches are so reluctant to deviate from their rotations. It must be due to locker room politics more so than strategy. 

Reminds me of this clip when Quin Synder  literally told a player he wasn't going to play much because the other player is making $20m and you are making $5m.

Provided some insights on what was going on behind the scene during his time here in Atlanta. He was a killer in practice.

21 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

The Luol Deng fiasco makes a lot more sense now.

I remember the Larry Drew situation when he wouldn't officially release him until right before the draft even though he never had any intentions of bringing him back which ended up backfiring on him and led us to losing Giannis.

I'm not surprised he never got another GM role.

2 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

And let me make myself clear again. If it doesn't work between Trae & Quinn...Trae is the one that needs to go!!!

 

You are crazy if u think a team should go through 3 coaches for a player!!

I don't think one guy is to blame for the hawks issues.

Although Trae was terrible, I think this is just a horribly flawed team that doesn't mesh well together at all. No size, no shooting, no IQ, no defense, etc.. I say blame whoever is the mastermind behind the roster.

I been very pessimistic about the roster construction for awhile now.