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  1. 43 minutes ago, DJlaysitup said:

    Well good for Tim Jr.  Now he can go back to NYC with some REAL spending money. 

    New York City requires more than a rookie contract to get into the good Clubs.

    As far as our Hawks - we would be insane to match after we already went "all-in" on Baze.  JMHO.

    I agree, but I hate to see THJ exiting as he is just getting started. He will certainly continue to develop and we will miss him. I'd swap Baze for THJ in a blink! Hate that contract.

  2. 17 minutes ago, swolehawk2 said:

    ... but Horford turned down one of the five richest contracts in NBA history to sign with the Boston Celtics.

    Can we all give management a bit of a break on Alice's walk:) When put in these terms, Whoreford was given every chance to stay. 

    I'm getting excited about the season, and we don't even have our roster completed yet;) Change is good!

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  3. DMC has the soul that every pro athlete should have. He is humble, hardworking, leave-it-all-on-the-court, and grateful to play a game he loves for money. It's unfortunate that more and more we find the Whoreford syndrome. The more players we can acquire with work ethic, toughness, and humility, the better off the Hawks will be.

    We miss you, DMC!

    Good riddance, Alice!!!

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  4. Here is a fine article comparing Teague with the other PGs in the league.

    https://atlallday.com/2015/07/15/jeff-teague-top-10-nba-point-guard/

    Jeff Teague: Top 10 NBA Point Guard?

    by John Buhler 6h ago

    Atlanta Hawks Starting Point Guard is coming off his best season as a professional. Teague earned his first selection to the NBA All-Star Game and led the 2014-15 Atlanta Hawks to the team’s first ever appearance in the Eastern Conference Finals. In two years under Head Coach Mike Budenholzer’s player development system, Teague has become a master of Bud’s heavy-ball movement, read-and-react offense as the floor general for an elite team in the East.

    Last season brought an unprecedented level of excitement to an organization long-forgotten by the media on a national landscape. The rise of Jeff Teague to national prominence as a household name was a major reason for the 2014-15 Atlanta Hawks’ success. While Jeff can most definitely get back to the 2016 NBA All-Star Game in Toronto this upcoming season, is Teague now a Top 10 point guard in the National Basketball Association?

    May 15, 2015; Washington, DC, USA; Atlanta Hawks guard Jeff Teague (0) shoots as Washington Wizards guard Bradley Beal (3) defends during the first half in game six of the second round of the NBA Playoffs at Verizon Center. Mandatory Credit: Brad Mills-USA TODAY Sports

    Even thought Top 10 or even Top Half doesn’t sound all that impressive, this era of NBA basketball is point guard driven. Just about any team that has serious title contending thoughts must have strong play from their point guard or at least a shooting guard that can distribute (i.e. James Harden of the Houston Rockets). So even if Jeff Teague is just a Top Half Starting PG heading into 2015-16, that shouldn’t make Atlanta Hawks’ fans worry about where their point guard falls in the pecking order of NBA PGs. We’re in a golden age of floor generals if you ask me.

    The best way to attack this idea of essentially power ranking NBA point guards is to look at where Jeff Teague would fall in the six divisions in the NBA. If we stay in the Southeast, I would say that Teague is more polished than Orlando’s Victor Oladipo, more consistent than Charlotte’s Kemba Walker, and a more proven winner than Miami’s Goran Dragic. To me in the Southeast it’s between Teague and Washington’s John Wall. Given that Wall is a former number one overall pick and the face of the Wizards franchise, I’d give John Wall a slight edge over Teague on the national landscape. Most teams would be happy with either All-Star point guard.

    To me the main challenger for Jeff Teague coming out of the Atlantic is Toronto’s Kyle Lowry. Lowry won the fan vote in the 2015 All-Star game as part of a very talented Raptors back court. When Teague and Lowry square off, they both are scrapping to get an edge over the other since it is such a close matchup. What sets Jeff Teague and Kyle Lowry apart is that Teague seems to have an extra gear offensively (Teague Time!) where Toronto needs to rely more on SG DeMar Derozan’s scoring than Lowry’s to get the Raps over the top in a close game. It’s close but I’ll take Jeff Teague over any point guard in the Atlantic Division.

    The Central is a bit more interesting. I can’t say with confidence that Jeff Teague is better than Cleveland’s Kyrie Irving. Kyrie has arguably the best handle of the basketball of anybody in the Association. Milwaukee’s Michael Carter-Williams is not a proven shooter, Indiana’s George Hill turns the ball over too much for my liking, and Detroit’s PG duo of Brandon Jennings and Reggie Jackson haven’t won enough to prove to me their leadership qualities as floor general.

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    The biggest challenger for Jeff Teague out of the Central is Chicago’s Derrick Rose. Before his ever-growing myriad of injuries, there was no doubt in my mind that D-Rose was a Top 5 player in the NBA. Though he had a relatively healthy 2014-15, Rose’s inability to stay on the court for the Bulls the last four seasons has led to many talented PGs to surpass him on the league’s hierarchy. The best ability is availability, something Rose just doesn’t have enough of to put him in the Top 5 any more. Again this is close, but I’ll take Teague’s reliability over Rose’s big ifs at this stage of the his career.

    So in the Eastern Conference, I would say with great confidence that Jeff Teague is a Top 3 or 4 point guard, with only Kyrie Irving undoubtedly ahead of him. He’s Top 5 in the East without question. I just so happen to think he’s the third best behind Irving and Wall heading into 2015-16.

    And then there’s the behemoth that is the Western Conference where there are so many deep and talented teams. Teague actually matches up favorably in the Southwest if you really think about it. I like Teague over Jrue Holliday and Tyreke Evans in New Orleans. Houston’s star PG is actually All-World SG James Harden. Dallas is a mess at the one. And Teague might actually be slightly better than San Antonio’s Tony Parker at this stage of their respective careers.

    To me, the biggest challenger coming out of the Southwest for Jeff Teague is Memphis’ Mike Conley. I love Iron Mike Conley. While he’s fantastic for the Grizz, part of me wishes that Memphis played in the East so that Atlanta and Memphis could become geographical rivals. The Dirty South rivalry. Conley has not been an All-Star before but he certainly is a household name as the primary ball handler for the Grit N’ Grind Grizzlies. Of all the point guard comparisons in the NBA for Jeff Teague, Conley is the toughest. Honestly, you could make the case for either and there isn’t in my mind a clear separation between Jeff Teague and Mike Conley at this time.

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    Looking at the Northwest, Russell Westbrook is amazing and his tenacity at the PG for the Oklahoma City Thunder feels unrivaled. Minnesota’s Ricky Rubio is good but rarely healthy. Utah is still figuring out the floor general. And Denver’s Ty Lawson can’t stop getting in trouble with the law. The biggest threat for Teague out of the Northwest is Portland’s Damian Lillard.

    It stinks that the Lillard-Aldridge duo is no more in the Rose City as LaMarcus Aldridge signed with the San Antonio Spurs this offseason. Though I love Dame’s free-spirited yet effective assists with the basketball, he is a glorified matador on defense. Jeff Teague is a constant threat to pickpocket opposing point guards and rebounds well for a one. Basketball is more than just offense and Jeff Teague is the more complete player over Damian Lillard heading into 2016.

    And finally, where would Jeff Teague fit into the pecking order in the Pacific? All say it now, Golden State’s Stephen Curry and Los Angeles’ Chris Paul are better than Jeff Teague currently. I would say that Paul is a bit closer to Teague than Curry on the pecking order since Paul’s Clippers can’t seem to get out of the Western Semis. Plus, Jeff normally gives CP3 fits in Hawks-Clippers games. On a national landscape Paul appears better but Jeff Teague isn’t all that far off especially when you see these two teams in action.

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    I do like the tandem of PGs Phoenix has in Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight. Both are certainly capable of making All-Star Games for the Suns and elevate their stock in the Valley of the Sun for HC Jeff Hornacek. Teague benefits from playing in the East, whereas Bledsoe and Knight are often overlooked in the West. Both Bledsoe and Knight are solid options at the point for the Suns, but I’m taking Jeff Teague in 2016.

    So on the national picture I would put a handful of guys ahead of Jeff Teague in the PG pecking order: Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Chris Paul, Stephen Curry and Russell Westbrook. So no, Teague isn’t a Top 5 Point Guard at this time. But he’s in that second tier with Kyle Lowry, Derrick Rose, Mike Conley, Damian Lillard, and Tony Parker. I don’t see Jeff Teague as a worse option than all of those five. At best, Teague is 6th at worst he’s 11th. I’m going to roughly split the difference here and say that Jeff Teague is the NBA’s 8th best PG heading into 2015-16.

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  5. I'll never knock my African American brothern for cashing in on some of that capitalism.

    He said earlier that his family (meaning his real flesh and blood) were his number 1 priority looking at the future. No matter what he wanted to do, I am sure his wife had the final say. He gave us unbelievable value for 2 years. I can't hate on him.
  6. I love DMC and I'm happy for him but the way he handled his free agency kind of pissed me off. Show some loyalty man, we helped make you into the player you are today.

    I don't hate on DMC or think he is not loyal. He has played for peanuts his whole career. This is his only big money opportunity and I am glad he cashed it in.
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  7. It's done. I hope he likes those taxes.

    But that is why they paid him so stinking much. Any normal market offer would net him less.

    DMC said he needed this contract to be for his family. I'm happy for him and his family. It stinks for us, but I wouldn't have wanted us to pay him that amount.

  8. Picked apart other teams signing your players.All it takes is one owner dishing out a ridculous amount and you lose that player. Orlando is trying to take Sap.When do we see the Hawks trying to go on the offense and taking players from other teams?

    We would be on the offensive if we didn't have two of our studs in FA and a very limited cap. So the short contracts minimized the risk or DMC and Sap being huge busts and drags on our Cap for 3+ years, but since they were both studs the 2 yr. contracts actually kicked our butts and now we are dealing with it.
  9. Conventional wisdom trumpeted the depth of this draft.

    Indeed. This is one of the years that the depth was touted as unusually good.

    Regardless, I am actually excited to see how THJ's game will be molded and shaped. I believe he will actually be able to help us and even thrive (assuming the culture of the Hawks has become one of humility, hard work, and sacrifice).

    I don't want to live with the "sky is falling" mentality. I've been through enough as a Hawks fan (shoot, we all have) and refuse to say I'm a fan while living, breathing, and drinking snarky cynicism and negativity flying under the guise of "realism." There is no real life or future there for me;)

    Now I really am hoping for a splash. Last night and this morning I felt like something big was coming. I will be disappointed if this is it for next year. So here is hoping FA shines brighter upon us than Draft night;)

    Go Hawks!!!!!

  10. I'll wait until someone signs their name on the dotted line , before i start drinking the kool-aid.

    i don't think this is koolaid. I just think this is the first time in ages that I can remember free agents of note publicly tagging The ATL as a potential destination. This is the precursor to a free agent signing here. Mindshare eventually will lead to action of the conditions that started increasing mindshare continue (I.e., winning, competitive, great coaching, strong crowds).

    Just encouraging tide changing.

  11. lol, How does this make any sense for them? Favors is just starting to round into form and was already, at 23, just as productive as Millsap last season. They let Millsap walk two years ago for nothing, when they could have kept him for a modest contract and now they want to pay him 18 million at the age of 30? That team is still a couple of years from being a contender anyway, so why trade youth for experience at this stage?

    What we don't know is the chemistry and locker room culture. Sap would be a huge presence at helping Utah create a culture of grit and team. That alone is better than a lot of the stats we can throw around.

    Just my opinion as to why a team would want an almost 30 year old player coming off an All-Star season.

  12. Love the fact that ATL is rising!!!!

     

    Here is the article found here http://www.sportstalkatl.com/is-atlanta-becoming-an-attractive-free-agency-destination/:

     

    There] ain’t nobody [who] would want to go there.” That is what New York Knicks Small Forward Carmelo Anthony had to say about the Atlanta Hawks in wake of the Danny Ferry controversy. It’s been a while since the Atlanta Hawks have signed a big name free agent on the open market. Sure, a big city like New York will always be an attractive market to free agents, but it seems Atlanta is starting to get some attention of their own. Last season, the Hawks won 60 games, went to the Eastern Conference Finals, and actually sold out the arena night in and night out for the first time in years. Carmelo Anthony sat on the bench “injured” and that’s why the Knicks are drafting 4th overall this year. But that’s besides the point.

     

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    Atlanta has high warm weather, quality living, a nice night life, and now they have a top-tier basketball team. They have cap flexibility and the reigning NBA Coach of the Year in Mike Budenholzer. They run an offensive system that can make almost any player look good. The results speak for themselves, and the league is taking notice. It’s been reported that players such as Lamarcus Aldridge and Monta Eliis have interest in Atlanta. I repeat, they have interest in us. Paul Millsap is a great player in his own right, but a frontcourt of Horford and Aldridge should have fans salivating. Hey, maybe it’s the new jerseys that are getting player’s attention.

    These are just rumors, but fans need to realize that winning DOES change things. San Antonio was far from a basketball town until David Robinson and Tim Duncan came along and started winning championships. Could this be the year Atlanta makes a big splash and signs a big name free agent that puts them over the top? Who knows. But as of now they are a proven winner with a ton of cap space. The timing really couldn’t get any better, as the salary cap is projected to skyrocket when the NBA’s new TV deal kicks in next summer.

    The Hawks are in the midst of rebranding the franchise, and so far the product on the floor is helping this become a huge success. If you went to a big game in Phillips Arena this season, you saw that the changes were evident. Atlanta’s basketball culture is growing. Hopefully a 60 win season is just the beginning of a dynasty in the making.

  13. I do not think we should trade Thabo. At this point we don't know what his recovery will be like but I believe it will at least be back to the level he played at following his miserable first month or so. He is key to our success and at a good price.

  14. Yeah I hate the Cavs and it's just a joke the treatment Lebron gets and demands from the refs/league/media. It's nice to see Curry embarrassing delaladiva though.

    i am watching the Finals and loving it. My son keeps asking why Lebron gets 3 steps on his drives. He also says he would be a great tight end in football with his ability to catch and run over folks.

    Wisdom from a child;)

    Go Hawks!

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  15. I cannot fathom how on fire the Cavs were from beyond the arc in our series, and outside of LeBron, they have played like the chumps that they are.

    Part of it was our piss-poor defense, but in Game 1 we had people all over Smith and he was unconscious. Shumpert, James Jones, "Delly" (yuck), all knockin' em down from deep in our series... and can't throw it in the ocean vs. Golden State.

    It is really frustrating to watch!!!

    Smith did go off the first half of the last game against GS...second half he was not there at all, but in the first half he was like he was playing in game one against us.
  16. Thank you for your honesty.

    Most of the Hawks fans on Squawk probably see it the same way as you do or like Hotlanta.

    However, the truth is that none of us thought the Hawks could do what they did this past season and when they were manhandling the league, many fans thought it was a fluke. When they were swept in the ECF , many felt that it was supposed to happen that way and they should have lost to the Wiz. Nobody cares that the Hawks machine that had manhandled the league had more hurt people on it than injury free. So now, those same doubting fans, look at this team, look at the Coach of the year and they don't see the team that beat the league unmercifully, they see a team that was swept int he playoffs. I can't look to those same fans for opinions on what should be done because they never believed in the first place. They were doubting Thomas's that were along for the ride. Not true believers.

    When you look at what we have now, I think the key word is consistency. Bud has found out what works. We ought to try to keep it together and make only minor changes. I reject the notion that this team is doom.. probably because along the way, I became a true believer. The only thing I think we're missing is a rebounder/rim protector off the bench and maybe a Shooter in training at the 2-3 position.

    I loved the season...not the ending, but the season. I was speechless at the streak! For the first time ever, people were talking about the Hawks. It is/was great.

    The Hawks overachieved in my opinion, but it was not a fluke. This was the 2nd year under Bud's system, Horford was healthy, Teague/Shredder took steps up, Korver had a career year. The team gelled even more. And on and on...

    My concern for this off season is that it will shape the next 3-5 years. When I look at the ages of our players up for a new contract they are older...30s. In other words, their BBIQ is at a high. Their bodies are at the peak. There will be no dramatic improvements from this past year IMO. Certainly skills can continue to be polished, but I don't expect greater years than this one from Millsap or DMC (although his usage offensively will take another up tick next year). I also don't know if Korver can repeat this year's body of work. He had a career year. I really would love to see him with reduced minutes so that he doesn't get broken down so badly by the end of the season...his shooting must be "on" for any deep playoff run. I do think a healthy Hawks team would have fared better vs. the Cavs, but I am not convinced we are constructed to beat the Cavs+Refs.

    So my concern at this junction is locking in with large contracts two guys that are really solid players in their 30s for the next several years. and having no real resources to add significant talent to the roster. In other word try to maintain a playoff team and top 3 team in the East with no real opportunity to enter the Finals.

    Sap and DMC definitely have earned raises. They are vital to this team and the success of this season. I just don't see a way to the next level next year and beyond unless we add someone like Gasol or even Aldridge. Having lived through the "blow up" of '99 and the misery of those wretched early 2000s teams and drafts, I don't believe in the blow up approach either. I truly don't envy management this off season.

    Just some random thoughts on some of the decisions facing our Hawks.

    Go Hawks!

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  17. I think the opposite. Cavs defense just wouldn't be as good,

    As much as I can't stand delladova, he is 10x the defender Kyrie is. The fact that he gets no break is definitely showing up now.

    Cleveland is a much superior defensive team without Kyrie and without Love.

    I think that they are a tougher team to beat without Love. Kyrie wouldn't be the difference IMO. For all he might bring offensively, they would give it up on the other end.

  18. Also, almost 50% of DMC's points come from him cutting to the basket, which I'm pretty sure Thabo is capable of doing. Thabo starting wouldn't hurt the team much, if at all.

    Assuming a full recovery to his injury.
  19. All of these round logos....I wonder if the NBA is preparing for a move for jerseys having sponsors on the center and the logo at the top left of the chest (like soccer).

    i've got a feeling you might be on the money! No pun intended
  20. So is ot classy to call a fanbase classless for supporting a player they believe is being slandered? I do not know if Delly is dirty. Besides the man himself, no one can say with any certainty what the intent was on the 3 plays people discuss. So it is only natural that Cavs fans will give him the benefit of the doubt and Hawks fans will not.

    I will say this. Dirty or not, Delly takes a ridiculous amount of abuse on the court (see the lead up to the Gibson leg lock, the Teague elbows to the face, etc). I have never heard him complain about it to the media, and I have never seen him slow down because of it. If you were to feel there was no ill intent in his style of play (and fandom usually means giving your team's players the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong), can you understand why the Cleveland fanbase would get behind him?

    I am hoping for a good matchup next year. It would be great to start working at chipping away at the perceived disparity between the East and West (particularly at the top of the conference).

    At best he is one of the most reckless players in NBA history. At worst he is dirty. I've watched the NBA for 40 + yrs. and seen a lot of "hustle" players...guys that dive for balls and are always going 100mph. Interestingly, I don't recall Rodman, Mason, Shaq, or any other players blowing out ankles and knees like Della. Simply put, there are right ways and dangerous ways to dive for a ball. To whip your body around onto someone's ankle is dangerous and reckless at best...with his activity in the playoffs he done more damage that can end a career than the men I listed combined.

    I don't buy the "hustle" excuse.

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