SalvorMallow

Wow I just looked up Steve Nash and you are absolutely right. He was AWFUL for his first three seasons. He saw a big jump in production in his 5th season. Hopefully, like Nash, he comes back after he gets some seasoning and (unlike Nash) leads us to the promised land

Has there ever been a player that had such an awful first three seasons of their career which turned into a star? I can't think of any, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

He's honestly the only player on the bench that can create his own offense besides K'von (1/5 games). Lou is completely done and the rest of the bench can hardly take more than a couple dribbles without getting stripped or fumbling away the ball.

Ugh every time I see Harris's contract numbers, I throw up in my mouth a little.

Do you do that deal if we have to throw in 3 FRPs? I think I still would, especially if one of them is the Charlotte pick.

You could definitely tell he feels that way. Did you see how hard he was playing against Miami? I even saw him drive coast to coast on one play (right into traffic...thankfully he got a bail-out foul call).

Harris has one of the worst contracts in the league. If we take on that salary just to get Ben Simmons, we will be in a world of hurt for the foreseeable future. I'm praying for a three team deal.

D is about right. The protections are pretty bad, but I think the team gets better in his absence. Interested to see how he progresses over the next few years, but unless he is significantly better next year, we should have no regrets for this deal because we would trade him anyways and get way less for an RFA SNT or letting him walk.

"Don't quote him but he can quote you" in a discussion forum is definitely a tough pill to swallow.

I think this move is helping to address the concern Gallo raised. Cam is the prototypical "When I get the ball I get mine" player, which could definitely disrupt the hierarchy.

Totally agree with this, but we can only get what is available.

I still think Cam has a chance to be good, but he doesn't match our timeline. We made it to the ECF last year and we are now about to miss the playoffs. We have to make some tough decisions NOW.

Cam off of this team is addition by subtraction for winning at least over the next few years. He has a -14 net rating.

There is no stat you can show me that justifies this sentiment.

I keep wondering how people see Cam as a "1st option". Dude doesn't pass the ball and shoots ~40% from 2. He takes about 25% of his shots from 10ft to the 3pt line and is hitting a whopping 25% on those shots.

Cam is 388/588 players in VORP. 156 in BPM 172/184 qualifying players in WS/48 161/184 AST% 162/184 TRB% 118/247 Ftr 127/187 TS% 129/184 PER 61 in USG% He has been awful at nearly every aspect of the game but needs the ball in his hands to even be engaged. Sorry, but it was time to move on.

Its a catch-22. We complain about this team losing, and when we trade the worst (current) player on the roster for what he's (currently) worth, people get pissed. This is a win-now move with the hope that the FRP can be flipped for a win-now player like Simmons. If Cam stays on this roster, he continues to get minutes with a net rating of -14, dragging us deeper into the lottery and diminishing his own value.

Trae is 23 JC is 24 Huerter is 23 Hunter is 24 How are we not still a developing young team?

What do you think we could have gotten instead?

Look at these On/Off stats for Cam. He has single-handedly been losing us games. He drops the team's eFG% by 7 and increases the opponents by 2!!! Of course you have to consider who he is sharing the court with as he has mostly came off the bench, but he has been ghastly on both ends, especially from a team perspective. A black hole on O and a turnstile on D.

Or frankly, even compared to Lou, Gallo, or TLC.

When has Cam helped us win games? He has the worst advanced stats of any player on the team including washed up Lou.

This literally sounds like a description of Cam.

Does he have a history of complaining about touches? Genuinely curious.

I think your point about Huerter vs TLC is the biggest head scratcher to me. I think Huerter has been our best wing this season by a country mile, but he still somehow has to battle with TLC for minutes and a role in the starting lineup. Definitely one of the consistenly worst decisions Nate has made this season.