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I would definitely pay a premium to get Bridges instead. What specific premium I guess is up for debate but I agree he would be a much better fit.

BI shot about 15% of his shots near the rim and 15% of his shots between 3 and 10 feet out. Murray took 17% of his shots near the rim and 19% between 3 and 10 feet. While this isn't great for either of them, I'm not seeing the data to support the idea that Ingram is attacking the rim so much more than DJM. Where Ingram really differs from DJM in terms of offensive pressure is that he takes 28% of his shots between 10 and 16 feet from the rim which is a lot more than DJM's 18%. I don't think that is a great thing. I'd rather he take more 3's than he does and attack the rim more.

Bam started more games as a 20 year old rookie than OO has started in any season in his 4 years in the NBA. Dumb and dumber or not he was a more mature and developed player than Bam was after one season under John Calipari (who is hardly an X's and O's savant). You are getting kind of ridiculous by trying to make it out that OO is Bam 2.0. Bam has averaged around 19 points, 10 rebounds, 3.5 assists, and 1.2 steals per game the last few years. Next year I don't think OO passes those numbers in any category. The one stat where he should outperform Bam is blocks. Saying that OO isn't close to prime Horford or to Bam isn't an insult. Both of those guys are or were really good - among the best in the whole NBA. It is simply the reality today that OO wouldn't start for most teams let alone make it a hard decision who to start if you are coaching Bam or age 21-33 Horford. What is more important is what Snyder can develop OO into going forward. As I posted earlier this season compared to the Nate / QS season, OO regressed in points, rebounds, steals, and blocks (on a per minute basis and on an absolute basis in most stats) in his first full season under Quin and then ended the season and missed the play-in game with another extended injury absence so he didn't get off to a great start under QS. As I hoped for this season, I'll be rooting for OO to seize the starting job next year, be healthy, and get back on the path of progression / improvement in every measure. I thought he was going to seize the job this season after looking at the lineup numbers and +/- stats from 2022-23. I thought that would make it obvious to Snyder that he should give OO a shot at starting. But Snyder decided CC was the better option for 2023-24 and OO injured himself again when he had a chance to start while CC was out. (Frankly, I hoped he would keep starting, do great, and never give the starting job up). I'm just not as confident that Snyder is bought in on starting OO as I was coming into last season after seeing his usage under Snyder. Hopefully that is just a matter of time and development. I'm not anti-OO. In fact, getting rid of CC and starting OO is one of the most obvious ways to be able to spend more money on our other players and I think CC limits what Snyder can do on both ends of the floor. I'd love to see it. But acknowledging reality isn't being anti-OO. Snyder used him as a reserve off the bench by choice. OO will need to keep improving get him to change his mind.

I agree that Ingram raises some questions as far as fit offensively. Defensively he isn't a particularly good defender but he obviously fits better than DJM due to size. If you traded the two of them, Ingram would guard the weaker wing and Hunter would take the stronger wing. That is much better than Trae + DJM. Ingram isn't my ideal candidate to partner with Trae which means that when you combine that with his salary, UFA status, and his average of missing about 30 games a year it raises real questions about whether a DJM for Ingram trade would work out particularly well. A lesser scorer but better defender / 3pt shooter might be a better match. I would definitely rather have Jones or Murphy from NO.

Who is the first option for NO? Zion. Not Ingram. Zion has led the team in scoring per game every year he has played while Ingram has never led when Zion played. Ingram has been getting stat boosts for years because Zion misses a ton of time. Come on. This is a terrible argument to try to use against DJM while ignoring the elephant in the room.

2023-24 Brandon Ingram - 20.3 ppg Dejounte Murray - 22.5 ppg DJM as a PG > BI > DJM as a SG 2023-24 Brandon Ingram - 5.7 apg DJM - 6.1 apg (DJM also enjoys a better A:TO ratio) Combine the scoring and playmaking: 2023-24 Brandon Ingram - 2.7 OWS, 1.4 OBPM Dejounter Murray - 3.3 OWS, 2.3 OBPM Bigger? That is the first one that is obviously correct. But it does beg the question of why DJM outrebounded BI this year when BI so much bigger. They are as similar players as you could possibly hope for in a trade scenario.

This is a tough one purely because of the contract situation. If they were signed to the exact same deal, this would be a no brainer improvement for both teams, imo. They are about the same age. Their numbers are incredibly similar. NO has a bunch of wings and needs a point. We have point covered and need to upgrade the talent and depth of our wings. Just very similar players. But having to pay Ingram way more than DJM for a team that is already going to be strapped for cash makes it a lot tougher. Maybe you could do something like Ingram and Daniels for DJM, AJ and CC? I don't know. Nance seems overpaid and doesn't do much for me.

OO is shorter and lighter than Bam but I'm not going to argue it is a huge gap. He is significantly shorter and lighter than Sabonis. None of them are 7 footers. You are potentially putting words in another poster's mouth. We don't know what he means but if he thinks Sabonis is big enough you are strawmanning his position by claiming he wants nothing less than a 7 footer. @BangHolman - You are invited to clarify whether (since you think that OO is too small) you think that only a 7 footer will be big enough for this team or what you mean if you mean something else.

Bigger than 6'8'' and 235 lbs doesn't necessarily mean a 7 footer. It could be what he means but he could also mean he'd be good with a a younger Clint Capela who is 2 inches taller than OO but not a 7-footer. You might want to find out what bangholman means before assuming something. There are lots of starting centers who are bigger than OO (in terms of height and/or weight) but shorter than 7 feet tall. (Examples: Anthony Davis, Bam Adebayo, Nikola Jokic, Domantas Sabonis, etc.)

Moving away from an agent to his father would send the signal to me that he isn't all that worried about it right now. If I'm trying to read tea leaves accepting that, a move to his father could mean he isn't focused on renegotiations right now or that he is very comfortable that he has the leverage to get what he wants.

That might be the case in two years. I'm in wait and see mode on whether things change for him from what I see as a max contract status quo. They certainly could.

All games. Trae actually ranks 4th on the season when you look at 2 man combinations and to show you how little injuries matter for this the #2 combo is CC with Bey.

I can see the logic behind that idea but for last year DJM is the guy that CC was really tied to. All 10 of CC's top lineups by minutes played include DJM. Only 5 include Trae.

I don't assume that Quin wants a big like Gobert but I was expecting OO to take the job this year and was really hoping he would get an extended run as a starter when CC was hurt. Neither of those things happened. I know about his injury but I don't know why Quin didn't trust him or what he plans for the future. He might envision OO sliding in as a starter next year. He might envision that OO will never be his starting center. I just don't know and I'm not aware of Snyder having made that clear in any public forum.

What you are really asking is whether scouts are evaluating him based on his own measurables, skills, and performance or whether they are banking on him being like his brother. I'm saying any scout that is evaluating him based on his brother should be fired because they aren't doing their job. Siblings are not similar enough to bank on similar development. Any scout doing that would be foolish. My interest in him is based more than anything on his frame and athleticism which from the scouting reports I've seen give scouts a lot of optimism about how good he could be in the future. I'm reviewing those as if he didn't have a brother.