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8 hours ago, hazer said:

The system is great and can take the Hawks to the Finals. But what MUST happen is better drafting. Plain and simple. All Schröders, no Paynes. Forget need, draft the the best damn player available EVERY time and develop your own star. And you can't be cheap with the pick. Combined with the continued shrewd/affordable trades and signings for need (DMC, Korver, Thabo, etc) they've been pulling off, it's the only way they're going to make it. No LaBronna, KD, CP3, Kawhi, Davis, etc is coming here, in their prime. Period. Draft day, have an evolving list of BPAs adjusted after every single pick comes off the board, try to move up if a particularly good fit falls into an achievable range, and/or take the highest one on the list when your turn comes up. It's not rocket surgery.....

Agreed If hawks cant lure superstar talent players, their best chance getting a superstar talent is in draft or in scouting, and develop that player

10 hours ago, AHF said:

Short version:

• Having a superstar doesn't guarantee you a chip.  Not having one just about guarantees you won't win a chip.
• The Pistons did not have a superstar when they won their single championship with Wallace, Bilups, etc.  They are the exception to the rule with a very balanced lineup of Billups (stud, nonsuperstar PG), Rip (borderline All-Star), Prince (all-NBA D plus the ability to pass and spread the floor), Rasheed (All-Star level talent), and Ben Wallace (stud defensive big man).  They did have a superstar when they won back to back championships (Isiah) with some good supporting players (Dumar, Rodman, VJ, etc.).
• I don't have faith in the Spurs system or any system to win rings without superstar talent.  If the Spurs drafted Lamarcus Aldridge and Tim Duncan went somewhere else their history would be completely different.  The reasons their excellent system has won so many rings are Tim Duncan, Manu, Parker and Leonard.  A bad system can ruin the chances of even the greatest talent but the best system won't win without the talent to support it.
• That said, if we are in a position to contend I'll be crossing my fingers that we become another exception to the rule like I was last year.  I'm just still waiting for our first win outside of the first or second round in the playoffs.

Well said, totally agree with you, Having  superstar doesn't always gurantee winning a championship

12 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Then we should kidnap Durant and hold his hand while he signs that max deal here with us this summer.

lol

2 hours ago, benhillboy said:

Pace & Space and Ball & Man movement won't play out anytime soon.  

Relegate our starting 1-3 to the bench in favor of upgrades (PG already in house) this summer and I have the utmost confidence.  I would hope those upgrades come with a slight uptick in foul drawing and rebounding. 

To have this limited roster near the top of the league defensively for large chunks of two seasons is exceptional.  

I've pumped the brakes on Bud being anywhere near Pop's league.  Still a Finals-level HC all things considered.  Having smart guys who've "gotten over themselves" is all good but we need a talent infusion to keep the system well-oiled.  My confidence in that happening is much more questionable.

"I've pumped the brakes on Bud being anywhere near Pop's league"

Bud and Pop, both of them are completely different,  Pop been fortunate to have Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Tony parker, and manu ginobili.

"we need a talent infusion to keep the system well-oiled"

I agree, we'll just have to wait who will be they adding in the team in the future

2 hours ago, JTB said:

I agree with you that the hawks can be or get back to being an elite contending team even without adding a superstar, they just need the right players.....but I don't think they can be a elite contending team that can actually get over that hump and actual win it all against other elite contending teams because of the reason of them not having a star. 

Now that other part you said about taking time and patience...well I definitely see the patience the hawks organization has been taking as they continue to try to build a contender lol...but as far as time goes I have to respectfully disagree and say if they are taking "time" to build a contender thats not good with our best two players being 30 and 31 next season! That is the wrong move in my opinion. If we need time...get a young player in here to build around and if they choose that path mine as well throw all the chips in to get a star.

Personally if bud was to start over I have full confidence that if he got a star player to build around it would only take him 2-3 years to have a contender in place...but thats just my opinion 

"but I don't think they can be a elite contending team that can actually get over that hump and actual win it all against other elite contending teams because of the reason of them not having a star. "

In my opinion, if you have enough talent in your team without a superstar, and everyone play as a collective unit, then they still have a chance beating teams that have a superstar in their roster. We will still see If Hawks will be able to find a "superstar level" player to add in the team.

"if they are taking "time" to build a contender thats not good with our best two players being 30 and 31 next season! "

im talking  about in 2-4 yrs long run not like a decade that would be really too long lol, if they haven't been a contender team after 5 years or more, then everything just didn't work out, Bud would have been probably fired and the franchise will  just look for new direction.

"Personally if bud was to start over I have full confidence that if he got a star player to build around it would only take him 2-3 years to have a contender in place...but thats just my opinion "

I think Bud will keep his key players , and build around them. Also, I don't think Bud is the only one making all the decisions, im sure he's working with his coaching staffs, and the hawks organization, they decide together what's best for the team.

Adding a Star level player doesn't always mean your team going to win a championship. Looking back last year, Hawks didn't have a star player, they still reached the ECF without Thabo, and Kyle Korver got injured by Delladenova,

This year is different, Hawks have a different team, no DMC, they got new players, Tiago Splitter, Patterson, Tim hardaway, and Edy tavares. They have to figure out their identity again with all these new players, then Tiago got injured and had hip surgery, they are missing a backup big, Patterson is having a hard time fitting in and hes not actively part of the rotation, Edy tavares still working his craft in the D-league developing his game. Tim hardaway is feeling comfortable in the rotation, been really consistent, and improving his game. Kyle korver is still finding his rhythm after that surgery he had. A lot of up and downs, but you still have to keep moving forward, and be positive even if your team is having a tough season. 

I don't think Hawks are against looking for star players level, they tried to sign Joe johnson but he signed with miami heat, 

I do agree that you need a "go to guy" to be a championship team, but it's  hard for Hawks to sign or lure a star player because they haven't been really a contender for a long time. I think the only best chance that they can find a "Star/go to guy" is in the draft or scouting potential undiscovered talent whether in the d-league,college or internationally.

Bud is the one who forced Coach Pop to sign Kawhi leonard and trade george hill, so i know he's looking for one for this team. If hit not, then he's probablyy looking average taleneted players that can play in his system.

I still believe Hawks can be a contender team even if they don't have a superstar player, If hawks  have enough amount of talent, and all  players fit in the system and really works well together as a team, then i do believe they have a chance to be a contender team. It will take time and patience to build a contender team. Right now Hawks are in that process building that  foundation, developing their players, and finding best ways to work as team effectively.

He will help Hawks a lot with rebounding

Good win!

Teague's been really locked in, making good reads, and controlling hawks offense.

THJ been really consistent, every game ,he's feeling comfortable in the rotation.

Even Sap hasnt been scoring much a lot, he still contributed setting screens for his teammates, same with horford, he got going in the 4th qtr.

Great team defense, and offense is really flowing when Hawks point guards are doing their job penetrating,making good reads, and finding open teammates, and also there's a lot good cutting, it gives more opportunies in the offensive end when they are active on cutting

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

They played the Bull's bench not Golden State...The bar is pretty low now I guess!

well i guess im the only one giving them credit for their efforts, even if they face teams that are not contenders

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Bazemore Sucked

Korver sucked

Dennis sucked

Millsap sucked

THey still contributed in other ways, its a team win

Good win, even though D rose and jimmy butler didn't play, Hawks played really well.

Teague and Dennis did a great job controlling the hawks offense, penetrating, driving, kick in/out passes,  finding open teammates, both of them did that tonight, when they do that, hawks offense flows more, they get more open shots, 

Defense was really good too, Al and Sap did a great job protecting the paint. On the offensive end they did great too, and also setting screens

Thabo was active and made some good layups.

Baze was still active, made some turnovers, but he still kept playing hard and made some buckets.

Hardaway always consistent, and contributed in the offensive end.

Korver knocked down some  good open 3s.

Overall good team win, i hope they keep doing this consistently.

2 hours ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Whatever. I barely give a shit about this team at this point. It doesn't matter.

My morale as a fan is the lowest that it's ever been.

 

I even wonder if your a hawks fan lol, iver never seen you posted a single positive post 

Well if JJ wants to sign with the heat, just look for another one,  there still a lot other options out there, no need to be depressed and gloomy, keep your heads up and keep moving forward

JJ

7 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

 

I don't think we do have a bright future constructed as they are now.   Need another big time shooter for buds offense, since he doesn't care abounded rebounders. 

im talking about in the long run, not the current roster right now

2 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

As Atlanta is currently playing, they will very soon become a lottery team.  After their 1st  place

finish last season, this is hard to believe, but it's a reality.  Here of late, they have (SHUDDER)

resembled that Hawk team that won 13 games the entire season.  After a very good start, they

have now fallen and can't seem to get up.

Since they are currently so bad, we must therefore consider whether it would be better to fight,

hold on, and try to become the 8th place team in the east and be the Cav's first sacrificial lamb

or go ahead and slip into the lottery.

Personally, I prefer the lottery to an 8th place finish and the humiliation of a 4 game sweep in

the first round of the playoffs.  We might get a good player in the draft if we did that.  I know.

Hawks have a very poor record in recent drafts but what would we get out of a first round burying?

Nothing good that I can see.

As most of  you know, for years this old man has been eternally optimistic.  For some reason, this

current Hawks team has robbed me of this.  It hurts.  Watching your team, game after game, come

up just short.   Doesn't matter the opponent, how good or bad they are, Hawks always find a way

to grab defeat and pull it from the jaws of victory.  Then, we hear excuses.

As bad as I dread it, I expect a Chicago victory Friday night.

 

 

Have faith, I know hawks are struggling right now, but they still have a bright future

It's true that Joe would likely to sign with a contender team, he wants to win a championship knowing he's 34, but i still see there's a chance he will sign in Atlanta knowing that Hawks have a different culture now, now that they have coach Bud and have a system in place. Hawks might not be one of those contender teams yet, but they are still working to get to that level, JJ could decide to help his former team, and be a leader/mentor for the team, he's a vet and he has that experience with him.

41 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

True, but if Joe decides to go elsewhere it won't be because he got booed here.

Joe is 34, I'm sure his first preference is to go to a team with a LEGITIMATE shot at winning a ring - and that's expected.

Yea i could see JJ signing  with a team like Cavs, and have a chance to win a championship, but it would be nice if he decides to go back and help his former team, he can be  a leader and mentor for them, he's also a vet and he has that experience.

4 minutes ago, HawksBalla said:

Since Jan 1st, JJ is fourth in the league in three-point %. He's bigger than any of our puny wings. He demands some attention on offense. If he's too slow, we can always bring in Baze or Thabo. Doesn't he still have a house here? 

 

Bring him back. Like others, I was glad to see him go but he'll fill a need we have now, and its no commitment going forward. 

Yea Joe Johnson has size for SF postition, Hawks are interested signing him said by AJC, i don't know if it's a false rumor again though

I Hope Splitter recovers well

It's kinda weird most of the Former Hawks players are going back to Atlanta, who's next Zaza?

1 minute ago, Wretch said:

I'd love to see JJ come back.  Not holding my breath though.  

Yea same, might be one of those rumors again

I really hope he sign with the hawks, He could play that SF position, what hawks just needed

Looking at the schedule, i got a bad feeling  hawks will lose a bunch of games knowing how they are playing lately.. I still hope Hawks can still make the playoffs though

Even the hawks lose this game, they showed a lot of good signs especially in the 3rd, that was a great comeback, unfortunately the flow stops in the 4th, Hawks just needs to be more consistent in offense and defense, but the offense is definitely they need to work on the most