ThomasCredle

3 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

Yeah, I'm sure there must be a good reason the front office keeps doing this, and I would love for someone to explain it to me. Because on the outside looking in, it makes no sense. Can we not get a 3rd year team option tacked on to these deals?

Is there a capologist here that knows if some arcane subsection of the CBA is the reason for these 2 year deals va taking on a team option for a third year. ?

2 minutes ago, BigDog90 said:

Yeah the way the game is changing with bigs just as quick but bigger than him (Towns, Noel, Nurkic, etc), it'll be plenty of them on the market, won't be a need to pay a guy that much money at age 33. I can't even think of a big at 33 that got paid huge besides maybe Shaq. I believe he was 33ish when he was in Miami when he got that 100 mil deal but Al is no Shaq.

Exactly, plus the perception of the short falls in Al's game will be magnified considerably when the media in Boston is calling him out for every 3 rebound game or poor shooting performance.   The Atlanta media never said much and the national media pretty much ignores the Hawks.   A couple of playoff choke jobs and early round exits in Boston he won't be a stretch 4 playing out of position but a soft center that won't rebound and can't close out games.    He wasn't blamed hurt that bad for his playoff choking here.  He will be crucified for it in Boston.

Three years from now he won't be a max premier FA but an over paid above average player that people will say has a bad contract and can't perform when it matters.  Boston fans will be steady bitching in year 4 not begging for another max extension after they get a better up close look at Al.

1 minute ago, benhillboy said:

Is this an ancient scroll?

Confucius say player choke in playoff

excuse must be proclaimed

Players scorn prior team

Much internet hate they will receive 

Ron Burgandy say "You stay classy Al & Jeff"

Thanks for the info

1 minute ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

We got exactly what we wanted by dealing him... Cap space.

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Good point and I doubt hurt knee or no hurt knee we would have gotten a much higher pick or a an additional second for him.

we were probably locked on our pick anyway and it wouldn't have made a difference if we were a few spots higher.

Any body with Insider want to throw up the Pelton article apparently he gives our move today high marks and it is a rare day when the 4 letter says a damn thing good about the Hawks?

2 minutes ago, ViewsFromTheSquawk said:

I'm actually liking Malcolm....

I am too I expect him to be our number 2 PG next year.   He has pro experience and should be able to play a reserve role immediately.   I would like a cagey vet PG as our third to teach him and Dennis some tricks of the trade and vet moves and coach from the sideline on what they are seeing.

I hope he is ready for the venom and hate he is going to get from those "great" Boston fans when he camps his ass at the top of the key and doesn't rebound and has his first cold shooting night and the Boston media lights him up.   He may not have the same high opinion after actually playing up there and people expecting him to elevate a team to a being a contender.

He was arguably the third best player on our team and he demands a Max deal and throws away millions with his hissy fit when he doesn't get the offer he expected despite getting exactly what he bitched about for years.   

With the classless way he left I'm glad he is on the team I love to hate.  If any body can design a Alice Whoreford tee shirt and throw that shit up on cafe press I will buy Two so I can wear a clean shirt to back to back games!!!!!

see you Al hope we see you again in the playoffs and your comments lead to a pissed off D12 punking your ass!!!

5 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Lawson is the very definition of a guy i most certainly do NOT want mentoring anyone.  He still has not acknowledged that he has a drinking problem. 

On top of that,  he was awful last year.  Let him rehab (on and off the court) on someone else's dime(s).

I'd rather Jack or some other rando vet like freakin Donald Sloan or Mack (assuming UT no longer needs him).

I was not aware of all the off the floor issues when I suggested this idea.   Knowing it definitely change my opinion on the idea.   I just recalled how he played in Denver and thought his style was similar to what our PG's are good at.   That and we are really cap strapped now and he would be dirt cheap.

Teague may have gone public after the fact to assuage his own ego and justify his poor play.   It definitely could have made other teams nervous about the offers they made though.

3 minutes ago, Alex said:

Lawson was awesome just a few short years ago and has regressed big time.  Him and Bud would be a good carpool team as well.  

I agree his game has declined I didn't look to him to get big minutes at all or contribute much on the game floor but more too mentor the two young PG's we have because his previous play style was similar and he might be able to give them guidance on how to play and teach them some veteran tricks and moves.   

Honestly I don't want any Vet to hog too many minutes because both the young guys we have will need every minute of game time to learn and grow and I think Dennis will play better if he doesn't worry that he has someone on the bench that could replace him for making a mistake.   

We need a veteran to be a mentor and player coach on the practice floor and give advice and guidance from the bench during games.

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

I'd rather a hobbled Jarrett Jack.

I would be fine with that choice too.   I just thought Lawson might come cheaper based on what he settled for last year.

Just now, Sothron said:

I don't understand how Al asked for years to bring in another center so he could play more PF. We bring in a great center and suddenly he can't stay here? C'mon now. This is either about money the Hawks wouldn't offer or something else behind the scenes.

I think it is about ego.   Al wanted to be in the "Max" player club and he was also scared to be outplayed by D12 and look soft in comparison as another poster said earlier.    He got his feelings hurt when the Hawks didn't max him on the first offer sheet and pitched a little fit and it cost him millions of dollars.

We could easily move these posts to a new thread "Bitches that have played for the Celtics" that would be full of  excellent answers!!!!

11 minutes ago, Alex said:

Not to derail the thread, but I have to say this.  Garnett is the biggest bitch in the NBA.  He's such a wannabe fake tough guy.  

If Garnett is the Batman of NBA bitches then Paul Pierce has to be his Robin.. No one has ever been "injured" worse and  came right back to play through than his Bitch Ass!!!

Unless we sign a veteran pg that still has some game I'm thinking our 2.  Pero was the first back up center off the bench when we brought him over.    

He is also 26 or 27 (I think) and has played a lot of pro ball so he isn't a traditional rookie straight from college.    If he runs the team well during the summer league I think he can lock down the primary back up PG to start the year

5 minutes ago, GameTime said:

So is he our #2 or #3? I guess we will have to wait and see.

14 minutes ago, DrReality said:

With this change from Teague and  Al to Dennis and D12 the attitude of our team will change.....for the better.    

I completely agree Teague and Horford both would get passive and as the leaders that trickled down to the whole team.   With Dennis at the point the mindset of the team will be much aggressive.    This team will have more "dog" in them and I won't mind a couple additional techs if we get a more passionate and tougher team.

He and Bud could be drinking buddies then ha ha.    I didn't realize he had off the court issues and we don't need that.    This definitely changes my thoughts on him being a good mentor.  That sucks because I remembered his game as being a good match for the way our PG's play and might teach them a trick or two.

Hopefully he has his personal issues addressed for his sake though.

I completely agree.   I think next season is full of potential and the Hawks may shock some folks.   If nothing else it won't be status quo from the past couple of years.

1 hour ago, DeacKillsaDevil said:

He was good at Va Tech

I think he was a two time 1st team ACC player at Va Tech but not 100% on that been a while since he beat up on my Noles in a game I watched.

I think Ty Lawson is still out there and played on a cheap contract last year for Indy.   Releasing Patterson would give a roster spot and probably enough money to sign him to a one year deal.   He would bring a veteran "coach" type player for our young PG's.   Wouldn't expect a lot out of him but he could be a great mentor on the little things a NBA point has to do to be successful.   Any thoughts on if this could be a good fit for the Hawks?

Loving what I'm hearing about the pick up.   You can never be sure how defense, rebounding, or creating your own shoot will transfer from the Euro league to the NBA but if you can catch and shoot you can catch and shoot.   Court vision also tends to be something you can see transferring.  Being clutch is something you either are or your not.   

In our offense he will get open looks and if he can get his own shot against NBA defense this will be another DMC, Baze steal for the Hawks.

The guy looks aggressive too.   Teague was often hesitant and that won't be an issue with Dennis.   I expect us to play a much more aggressive in offense next year.  If Howard starts to demand a double team on the block Sap, Dennis, and our shooters will get great looks and clear driving lanes.

Hope he can play defense against NBA PG's but this signing has me excited.

I think the Al got his feelings hurt when the Hawks wouldn't offer a "max" deal because his ego wanted to be in the max player club.   Now he wants to justify his decision.   Plus I hope this pisses off D12 and makes him even more motivated to punk Al out next season!

i also hope Al enjoys being roasted by the Boston media when he plays soft and camps on the top of the key and they lose a game.   He may say he didn't like ATL fans but he is gonna miss the ATL media next year.

Wow I can't get over the D12 bashing.   I don't think he will be the player he was in Orlando but I am very curious to see his offensive game in our modified system.   He played the last few years with iso Kobe and iso Harden so I can see how he got frustrated.   We all may be shocked to see his offensive game come back with unselfish team mates.   

I agree he is not a leader but Sap  is and a follower personality like Howard's tends to assume the groups dynamic.   

Hell I could be totally wrong and he is actually a washed up POS but I've got some hope he will surprise some folks 

The only thing I wish was that they didn't make it so obvious to Sap that they wanted Horf more.   He is consummate pro though and in a contract year so he will still be motivated.  They offered more money and more years than any one else.   I think Al's ego got hurt when he didn't get a max offer up front and he wants to have the cache of being a max player.    

I am sure they have a plan to secure a back up PG and Budcox has shown a real knack for finding diamonds in the rough so we may all be shocked when a player none of us are even talking about gets signed and contributes on a bargain basement contract.  I'm hoping that may bring some scoring punch from  the SF position.

Al got his feelings hurt and left Millions of dollars over it IMO.  I just don't see this as a failure by the team.   Hell they gave him exactly what he had been bitching about for years a real center and the chance to play PF for a playoff team.  

The plan we have all been screaming for was more size, better rebounding, and interior toughness.   They got the best FA to provide those skills

 I will miss Al's play next year but I will enjoy watching him choke in the playoffs for the Celtics just like he did for us for years.  Hopefully against the Hawks!