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40 minutes ago, kg01 said:

We gotta be realistic.  Why would BKN do that? 

Cause he's 27 and not getting younger and isn't a first or second option type player. He's a year older then Ingram. 

I don't know what it would take, but I'd strongly consider it.

22 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Why spend more only to have the same issues?   We can do better than Brandon Ingram for Murray.  

He's not my first choice, I'd prefer Bridges and would pay more to get him.

30 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Change for the sake of change is worse than running it back.  

Naw at this point its proven that you can't keep both pgs on the roster.

Things to also consider, Murray takes almost double the threes that Ingram takes and has a lower usage rate.

One of the main issues between Trae and Dejounte was that Dejounte's methodical, self creation style offense clashed with Trae's talent as a disruptor and offensive engine, and thats with him taking 7 threes a game!(Ingram doesn't even hit 4). Dejounte likes to find his own balance between playmaking and scoring, he's not a read and react type player or a guy who can be put in scoring position that draws doubles.

I don't watch Ingram, but I would think that he'd be more capable of translating to a scorer focused role, but his stats don't support that.

Someone let me know, can he play off of others?

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

 

 

What the hell happened

I didn't want Kel'el Ware as the center for this team cause I like centers that have edge to them and in my opinion he doesn't have enough to be the last line of defense for this team. Say what you want about Capela, but he has that dawg in him.

OO is great as a one on one defender and improved his scoring this season, but his size/length doesn't pack the paint. One of the things we took for granted from John Collins was his secondary rim protection that he provided. Once opposing players got past the three point line, it would place tons of pressure on the center to clean it all up, and thats when JC would cover the gaps.

If you look at this current roster this season, the only pf that can bring some of that was Mouhamed Gueye and he's raw right now. JJ is more of a roamer/team defender and Saddiq Bey was embarrassing. 

I say all that to make the point that Kel'el ware makes sense if you pair him with OO in the front court instead of replacing him. They cover each others weak areas pretty well.

• OO although increasing his range, is still more comfortable closer to the basket and isn't a true stretch 5 yet, Ware shot 42% from three last year.
• Ware has a 7ft7 wingspan that makes up for OO's lack of size
• OO makes up for Ware's lack of toughness and can gaurd the one on one matchups.

If you think JJ can slide down to the three then to me this is where you can get alot of value. Trae finally gets a stretch 5, the team can actually run a 5 out lineup that doesn't have them sacrificing defense for offense, we can run a dual rim protecting front court that is also mobile and athletic enough to not sacrifice too much in the perimeter. Think of pairngs like KAT/Gobert, Mobely/Allen, and Giannis/Lopez.

9 hours ago, NBASupes said:

The biggest mistake we made was not letting JC walk. 

Or trading him before that was an option. Like how Detroit and Toronto did with Bey and Siakam. 

3 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

His game is predicated on him making midrange shots.  That's great at the end of games.  I think DJ should close games.  But he likes to shoot.  And he doesn't shoot enough 3s and definitely doesn't get to the line enough.

He's a very good guard in my opinion.  If he learned how to go quicker with his offense and be willing to take contact going to the basket, he'd easily be an All-Star level player.

100% He's too methodical with his offense and kills ball movement. Dre had this problem until recently so I hope DJ improves on that end.

18 minutes ago, AHF said:

Two years ago I would have been psyched for this but Ayton has made me a non-believer.  I think he will eternally frustrate his fans and coaches.  

I think playing with Trae and Jalen would keep him happy since he'd get alot of shot attempts. The questionable part would be defense.

Edit: Actually I might pump the breaks on that. The number of shots he's currently getting in Portland wouldn't happen here.

If I'm the Hawks, I'm on the phone with Portland asking for Ayton. Our pick and Capela might not be enough, but I would start there. 

I love the idea of Trae, Jalen, and Ayton on paper, even if he has character concerns. 

I don't really have tiers, but here's who I like:

• Donovan Clingan - Size and defense
• Tristan Da Silva - Size, shooting, team defense, IQ
• Ron Holland - Athleticism, hustle, potential
• Dalton Knecht - Scoring, shooting, aggressiveness
• Jakobe Walter - Shooting, hustle, defense

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Bogi threw a bottle and got into Quin face and they were going back and fore. At the end, Quin back to Bogi and hugged Bogi. 

Sounds like passion to me. 

2 minutes ago, hawkman said:

He was a lot further along than DJ or Hunter before he got hurt. DJ openly complained about the coaching and was rumored to be open to getting moved during the trade deadline. Trae still has a ways to go as far as playing off the ball, but he was trying on both ends from the start. DJ didn't really "buy in" until after the trade deadline and Hunter hit his stride after his knee injury.

That may be true, and he's still has a ways to go, but I'm not talking about DJ though.

Trae is the best player and we go where he takes us. Another thing he does that I don't like is jogging on offense when he's not bringing the ball up when he should be running and putting pressure on the defense.

8 minutes ago, hawkman said:

Actually, Trae already bought in. The rumor was DJM and Hunter didn't buy in early on. 

He bought in on defense and not dominating possessions as much, but he's still trash at playing offball. He has a habit of standing still at the top of the key and he doesn't take shots in rhythm. Hunter moves better then him now and both were bad early on.

I hope this stretch motivates Trae to buy in harder into the scheme, no more casually standing when the ball isn't in his hands. His firepower added to this wizardry can have us upsetting a higher seed.

I stand corrected on Edey to the degree I didn't think he would be picked in the first round, and now mocks have him as a fringe lottery pick. He's also been very productive. To the people that say he can't contribute cause of his size/body, don't forget people said the same about Trae.

I don't know if I would want him, but he would be very interesting to watch for sure, and if the FO picks him, Ima be a fan and chug the koolaid.

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Doesn't impact winning

Most successful playoff push in franchise history. 

Hunter looks smoother then he's ever been, he might be a late bloomer type. With the level his jumper is now and how decisive and confident he's playing, I wonder if there's another gear he can get to. He will need to improve his handle and footwork to get there, but he's done a good job removing the gripes I was having with him so far.

Shoutout to the development staff.

If you wanna pick Edey you can, not at 10 though, that's an insane reach. He's gonna be there at 20

32 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I'm formulating my list of prospects that I like for the Hawks based on what I feel the biggest needs are with an eye towards their excellent player development program that is in place now.  I'm also taking into account what Quin Snyder wants to do as far as scheme.

10th pick:

• Ron Holland, SF, Ignite - I'm curious to see what his actual measurements will be.  I think long term, he's a guy who can potentially guard 1-4 on the floor.  He's dynamic in transition.  He can create his own offense off the dribble.  If the shot comes along, you have something special when you take into account that he is potentially a high-level defender.  I want to see if he is 6'8" as listed or if he is actually closer to 6'6".  
• Cody Williams, SF, Colorado - High upside play.  He's clearly not ready for the NBA, so his entire rookie season will likely be spent at College Park.  He needs skill refinement as well as body development.  He's a guy who you may not see much out of him till his third season.  However, the upside is there.  He's got innate ability to create offense for himself.  He's shown the ability to shoot the ball albeit on a low volume of attempts.  He's got some defensive chops that will improve as he gets stronger.  He could be Jalen Johnson or he could be Cam Reddish.  
• Stephon Castle, SG/PG, Connecticut - While I don't really believe the Hawks need a guard, I love this kid's game.  He can guard 1-3 on the floor.  He has the frame to play on the wing.  He has the capability to be a secondary ball handler and even a primary ball handler at times.  Great defensive player on the perimeter.  

18th-20th pick:

• Yves Missi, C, Baylor - Potentially a young Clint Capela with possible a bit more ability to create his own offense at times.  I've seen flashes of him being able to take the ball from 17 feet out and score at the rim without needing an assist.  Pick and roll finisher on offense who is both a rim protector and switchable defender on defense.  Honestly, I'd consider him at 10 if all of the other three players are gone.  Best center in the draft for Atlanta.
• Kel'el Ware, C, Indiana - Another springy switchable defender who can rim protect.  Ware is slightly behind Missi for me, but he does bring the extra dimension of being a strong three-point shooter.  
• Tyler Smith, PF, Ignite - 6'11" big who is perimeter oriented.  Athletic.  Not much of a defender at this point.  Solid three point shooter.  

I like Holland, I think he'll be really good if we draft him. He oozes talent and passes the eye test like how many people viewed Cam Reddish, but he has way more heart and is more athletic.

I wanna know how tall Missi is, if he's actually 7ft or atleast 6'11 I'd be ok taking him, but I've seen him listed as 6'10 online and would like us to actually have a legit 7fter.

25 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Neither have to go.

The issue with this team has always been the frontcourt.

I don't know. Murray is the number 2 for this team and I think we're better off with Jalen being the number 2. The synergy between Trae and Jalen if done right could be like what Joker and Jamal Murray have. 2 players dominating possessions who have a symbiotic relationship with their styles of play. Trae gives JJ easy scoring opportunities, opens up the floor for him, and mitigates his limited self creation(for now) and JJ makes teams pay for trapping Trae or running a zone and he adds a second layer of playmaking off of the chaos Trae creates.

I would like to see DJ go for a true point of attack gaurd defender. If you cant, might as well keep him and hope their chemistry improves.

Something people aren't talking about is that its no longer building around Trae in my opinion. Jalen has cemented himself as the second best player on this roster and his game is tailor made for Trae. He's the connector thats gonna exploit teams trapping Trae. He's gonna get to the level of scorer that can carry the load when Trae is being walled up, he can command doubles on his own cause of his athleticism and strength, and he can find Trae on the perimeter for looks.

Dejounte doesn't unlock jalen the way Trae does.

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Go to San Antonio forum, their d*ck is rock hard for Trae. They had Murray and I don't see this fight for him but he ain't him.

That's the best argument that shuts this convo down. All the Spurs fans are praying for us to get rid of Trae, they aren't even thinking about Murray.

1 minute ago, hawkman said:

You build with a guy like DJ, but you build around Trae. The Hawks did it in '20-'21 and the results were immediate. The Hawks were not a super team by any means. Heck, the guys they put around him weren't even All Stars. There's no reason that can't be duplicated. For some reason, management completely abandoned what worked. 

The Miami series made them overreact. They went for a second ball handler at the gaurd spot but didn't account for the lack of playmaking in the front court. JC, CC, and Hunter(at the time) aren't able to make reads or handle the ball and teams were front loading Trae heavily and his teamates weren't able to make them pay for that. 

The issue was also that the guard they got isn't someone who can play off of Trae. Murray likes to get to his own offense, he's not a spotup type gaurd(think of the CJ McCollum and Dame pairing on offense).

They also didn't account for Trae being as bad as he's been off the ball himself. DJ doesn't collapse defenses that well either so Trae doesn't get the kind of looks that everyone else gets when he has the ball(hopefully Jalen can change this).

If they knew what they had in JJ and Quin was already on the team, they may have not went in for DJ.