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we need more pace - 

Y'all know damn well why Dre had a good game 

Nobody guarding the white boy, hadn't they see that movie with Wesley snipes

It's clear the hawks aren't geared towards that offense yet they, got to figure out how to get other shits off and let Trae and DJ get into a rhythm , I mean quin wants them to toss those things up he has said this multiple times 

Hopefully this is trial.by fire 

Not seeing the magic quinnsystem yet not much passing at all 

To be fair I know it's going to take awhile to internalize it well enough to execute during games , because it should be totally new to most of these players 

See DJ and tre still ain't figured much out 

No wonder teams trying to grab him before the season started

This is kind of shocking. 

Under the table deal for klay mufu Thompson 

8 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Ummm . . why is the Pacers broadcast team on my TV?

same here

Put some spek on his name 

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-latest-im-hearing-on-nba-trade

"I nonetheless came away from my time at summer league in Las Vegas with the distinct impression that the Raptors are still exploring another move. Maybe even two."

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"Siakam has continued to signal an unwillingness to sign an extension with any team that trades for him."

- via Marc Stein

Siakam should be worried yes tony won't pay if your not worth it and u ain't worth that max contract , your 29 man u got a chip, it's gonna be hard to get that contract the way u want it regardless 

He's gonna be the next Matt Ryan with that contract and that's not a knock on Matt or jaylen 

7 minutes ago, thecampster said:

My opinion on all of the above

 

JC defense vs Kat

Defensive rating (lower is better) - Kat career 109.2, last season 113.7  JC career 112.7, 115.3 last season.

A simple look would stat Kat is actually better defensively than JC with one small caveat. Kat played both positions while JC primarily played PF.  PF's historically have a larger rating than C's.  That said, Kat played primarily PF last season and was better last season by 1.6.  

One might argue that Kat is better offensively which leads to better team defense.  John's career offense rating is 121.2 but was only 116.7 last season. However, Kat's ORTG last year was the same at 116.7 with a career number of 119.4.  

 

The delineating factor here is who each played with.  While John's offense was obviously helped by having Trae in the lineup but fell yearly with Clint in the lineup and young players growing, Kat has never really benefitted from elite PG play and his numbers fell last year as other players took on an offensive load.

 

I'd say the Hawks are better with KAT than JC but what I can't say is they're $23 million more in salary better.  The only benefit Kat brings that JC doesn't is the star factor and the benefit of the call. Kat is more likely to get calls and that could turn games in the final 3 minutes.

Law of diminishing returns, to get a stsr that is a little better than a decent player u pay exponentially more 

1 minute ago, macdaddy said:

I'm not the biggest KAT fan in the world but last few years he's been shooting close 40% from 3 on about twice the attempts per game as JC.  So definitely stretches the D more. 

Hey let's keep this gender neutral 

4 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

5 posts in and he’s familiar with the crew!  #burnerfosho

Nah it's Arods burner

42 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Or we could bleed them! Just wait for Masai and Siakam to publicly exchange words and we are set to go!  

Masai in a pickle at this point , siakam not helping trade value trying to force him to keep him. I can't remember seeing a situation quit like this 

careful landry - dont overplay ur hand or ull be whithout kat or siakam and back here saying we love our young guys

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

This is from my twolf source just posting it here to keep things transparent. I know the money doesn't work. They know the money doesn't work but the Grant Williams s&t hasn't been made official so maybe this goes into that?

Hawks get: Siakam and Mcgee

Mavs get: Capela

Rapts get: Hunter, Bey, 1st round pick

Tim hardaway jr goig to the Raps as well 

first is from dallas side of the deal

We should know by 4pm if this goes down

So...stay tuned?

yes, mcgee as backup center

I think we will have to do more if that is the deal - not sure we can lose collins, bey, cap, hunter for siakam.

1 minute ago, Plainview1981 said:

I'm not confident that Trae/Murray/Bey/Pascal/OO is a notable improvement over last years starting line up. PS better on that end than Collins, but Bey is worse than Hunter on that end.

Things would be more fluid in terms of mobility, but, eh.... I don't know.

 

 

 

I think its a solid improvment because of the way we will play and youve got better DEF overall along with some better shooting - now if collins was or gets back to a real nice 3 pt shooter maybe its closer but I think this is solid improvment - nothing crazy but def solid step in the right direction.

8 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I have to point out Hunter is the main piece for either KAT or Siakam. He knows this. Capela also knows he is being shopped around as well as a third trade partner to help make those other deals happen.

does it sound like we could be getting back a possible depth piece as well ? 

Do we really want kat if he's declining at 50 mil so in the third year wtf we gonna do with him this ain't the nfl

Even if we get him for peanuts we lose.

2 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Which one of you insiders is this or is this Peoria

 

https://twitter.com/aplant63/status/1677396140482785280

 

Everyone deserves some.shine, I guess

Murray would be de facto leader of the team immediately if he signed that.  It would be so cheap It would be to the point to where you start to think about life without trae and what we could build with him on the cheap

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

Just a weird fan base 

Sure, they all are - this is the nba there arent enough good players to go around and build consistent teams is the long and short of it, you have the occasional GS but that is rare and you see how much they are spending, but when half the country is buying your merch its ok.  

Hawks not being taken seriously here at all -