14 minutes ago, AHF said:

 

Acting like Trae is responsible for LP and Nate's departure is pretty rich considering that no NBA is remotely interested in either as a head coach.  Are we ignoring the obvious that they shouldn't be head coaches and Trae didn't hire either one of them? 

Blaming Trae for Reddish wanting a bigger role and then learning some hard lessons in New York is crazy.  Blaming Trae for Schlenk signing JC to a contract with too much money is unbelievable.  Blaming Trae for Ressler being too cheap to pay JC is unbelievable; blaming Trae for Utah wanting to get rid of JC is unbelievable.   Blaming Trae for Ressler booting out Schlenk and putting his son in the front office is unbelievable.  

Trae absolutely has his flaws and bears his share of the blame for the good and bad of the team over the years but this stuff is really reaching.

They don't even want trae on the allstar teams and u.s.a. teams, lmao. "injury replacement allstar"....lmao

2 hours ago, givemesome1ce1 said:

The amount of discussion about Dejounte being a backup plan in case Trae decides to ask out is crazy. Quin likes Trae and Trae believes in Quin’s system. The personnel around Trae has always been the problem. If Trae decides to ask out, we might as well go full rebuild. Dejounte isn’t even half the player Trae is, and we don’t even get half the wins this season without Trae on this team. I rather us trade Dejounte for a forward that can do the stuff that we need than waste time trying to “compete” with Dejounte. It makes no sense. Next season, play Bufkin more (who Quin should’ve played this game), get better defenders who are cheap like Naji Marshall and Torrey Craig, and we will be okay. 
 

This game is so frustrating because this team played well for 20 minutes and then just collapsed and it was in part because Trae and Dejounte just forget how to play basketball. This was a must win game and they blew it. Hope we at least win against the Hornets. 

TWO head coaches later, Cam Reddish, Johnson Collins AND a GM and its still everybody else is the problem and not Trae...

1 hour ago, terrell said:

You got fans still talking about Marvin over CP3 man.. and trading NIque for Manning..

But just let this one go? lol

Hawks gonna Hawk

The Trae love is insane...

7 minutes ago, AHF said:

I'm not following this.  Fields didn't do either of those things but did draft Kobe.  If he is going to be unreasonably emotional as your post suggests, wouldn't he be invested in his own decisions proving to be successful?  I blame Bufkin being anchored to the bench in this one solely on Snyder.  

I'll also put myself on record that I'm ok losing some games down the stretch in order to develop AJ and Kobe.  We need them to be rotation players next year.  Might as well start that now to help them prepare for it.

"The minutia of debating the issues about a team that has zero championships since coming to Atlanta and is in constant rebuild mode. "

9 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

It's not a point of pride for that our star player has these issues...

this is the point...

26 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

This game is on Trae -- he was terrible and even more importantly, he played selfishly and with a bad attitude.  The refs allowed a physical game on both sides and that seems to be a recipe for us to lose every time, because Trae cannot let it go when he doesn't get foul calls.  He was significantly better for a 3-4 game stretch there but has returned to his complaining to the refs -- or probably more accurate description, his straight up pouting all game.

It's a huge problem to be honest, as I've outlined before.  Trae has negative leadership qualities.  He sets the tone and energy of the team as the best player, face of the franchise, and the guy with the ball in his hands the most.  And the tone he is setting is one of whining/pouting/complaining incessantly.  And then he gets emotional and tries ridiculous iso shots and starts playing outside his game.  And the worse part is the rest of the team follows suit -- Dre was doing tons of complaining last night, as was Murray.  In fact, Murray seems to have gotten much worse over the past year or so with regard to ref complaining.  Our team culture is to come out and assume we're playing 5v8 from the start of the game and make that a self-fulfilling prophecy.  We'll never win anything with a culture like that.  Seeing Trae flop, get a tech for flopping, then walk around the court doing the money hands symbol as if the refs were rigging the game was an embarrassing spectacle.  Super disappointing game all around.

32 minutes ago, AHF said:

So we saw a good 16 minutes from Bufkin with him most notably showing the ability to move and keep his man in front of him.  The next game both our starting guards are out of sorts and being completely ineffective defensively.  How are there not minutes for Bufkin to see if he can change the pace of things defensively?  You find time for Garrison but not for him?  

Bufkin was the #15 pick in the draft this year and is a combo guard.  This is exactly the kind of game where you'd think by this point in the season he could contribute to turning a loss into a win by bringing energy off the bench and letting the coaches work with DJM and Trae to make adjustments to how they are approaching things on the floor by talking through that while he is out there (maybe even showing what they want done).  

This game was very frustrating to watch period.  Kudos to Hunter and Bogi but they were the only two who had a good game for us.  This is also where your last two first round picks are needed to bring some different looks, energy, and variation to the game.  But apparently that isn't the plan.  Not sure why not.

"but we traded luka for trae and 3 firsts for dejuante...duh"

3 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Who's minutes would he have taken?

2 hours ago, AHF said:

It's like a realtor selling a house announcing at an open house, "Yeah, this house has some real problems doesn't it?  I don't have all of them listed but when you look it over it's pretty obvious, huh?"

You talk your players up whether you are looking to keep them or move them.  Look at LA with Reaves.  He is a nice player but basically is Bogi with a slightly better contract but you'd think there was a huge gap the way LA constantly assures the press that he is completely off limits.  DJM is a substantially better player than Reaves and this is the press you want, Fields?  Come on, man.  Why make things harder for yourself?

Its like that episode of the Andy Griffifth show where Barney was a realtor trying to sell Andy's house.  Opie kept running around pointing out defects in the house and derailed that deal, lmao

Problem is...  they chose to continue to be a circus side show in Atlanta instead of letting Travis do what he does.  Build championship rosters...

Every trip down the court on offense is the same.  The Hawks HAVE players.  Its coaching.  This team isn't coached for movement on offense or defense.  Just standing around, different players taking turns playing offense, different players taking turns playing defense.  Its not a UNIT of players.  Thats why they look good one night against a good team and lose to a horrible team the next. No consistency.

Air ball on a pick and roll...

Trying to find a Hawks game on TV at this point is like finding Bigfoot.  One day they on Bally, the next game is on Peach Cobbler, the next game on Fubu, the next game on Christian Broadcasting Network,  the next game on CNN, the next game on BET,  the next game on TUBI,  the next game on VICE TV,  the next game on Fox Soul...

16 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

His attitude seems to have shifted a lot in the past year or so.  I assume it has to do with Quin and the new coaching staff, or maybe he is just maturing, but it's very noticeable to me.  He says a lot of the same things he used to but it feels more genuine -- maybe it's just PR training that's fooling me, but I really think he's starting to grow into being more of a leader on the team, in his own way -- leading by example in much of the same way that Steph does (while others are more vocal on-court leaders).  The defensive effort he's giving will make a world of difference in the long run for any team he's on.

left off yet ANOTHER ALLSTAR team because he ain't a leader...

left off team USA because he ain't a leader...

Full of empty stats...

26 minutes ago, LucastheThird said:

[ ] I fell for it again. 

Fell for what?  The WHOLE NARRATIVE around D.J. and trading him was built on the theory of him and Trae not being able to coexist in the same backcourt.  Its the sole reason Murray is on the trade market.  Why else would you be trading a player averaging 21 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists a game?  The Trae in the Lakers jersey is a joke but the theory behind getting rid of Murray is not.  No, they are not gonna trade Trae.

If they don't trade D.J. and the problem is he and Trae can't coexist in the same backcourt...well...

41 minutes ago, georgia said:

Marc Stein says Quinn doesn’t want to trade DJ

But a couple of days somebody said Murray "went rogue" against Quinn.  Lmao

24 minutes ago, LucastheThird said:

I'm all for keeping DJ and upgrading our front court + bench depth however we can. 

I'm not sure how we do that, but I'm all for this angle if possible. 

but two days ago....lmao

22 minutes ago, Sothron said:

What nonsense is this? You want the mods to come down on actual fans being happy the Hawks win and Trae having a good game? Ok, guy.

You know good and well I didn't say that. In fact I said no one is hollering about mods except YOU...

1 hour ago, ATLien_ said:

 Dejounte Murray talking about never let anyone punk you LMAO. Luka punked us, took our lunch money, gave us a wedgie then waved as he walked off the court.

 

 

 

lmao

2 hours ago, Sothron said:

It is getting a little hard to read the game day threads because certain posters are so clearly enjoying the Hawks losing games. I don't want to give the mods extra work by going down that route but you know who you are. 

Blame Ressler for the mess we are in. Traded two starters in back to back offseasons just to save money. Refused to use a 25 million dollar TPE to bring in talent. Refused to use any of the MLE to bring in talent. 

This is the result of an owner too cheap to pay the LT. This team was built to work a certain way with normal NBA depth on the roster. We don't have that and as a result the team is losing games and is not a playoff team.

This is 100% on Tony Ressler. Messy Ressy indeed. Don't blame the FO or Quin or Trae or DJ or whoever else you want to blame. Blame the SEVENTH RICHEST OWNER in the NBA that won't pay money to even compete.

When Trae scores 30 points and the Hawks win and Trae fans throw a party on the board, non of his critics on this board start hollering about mods...

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Caleb and Trae isn't a bad comparison at all. Both are boom or bust. Just that Caleb is the most talented QB I've ever seen but his flaws are critical and like Trae, his personality ain't all that great. Both are short and people swear on them.

That said, Caleb could be the icing on the cake on a stacked squad but he could flop on a bad one. I wouldn't take him if I was Chicago. He don't have the personality

UUUMM, MOST TALENTED QB EVER? that would be Michael Vick...IF  WE TALKING ABOUT TALENT, JUST PURE TALENT... BIGGEST ARM IN FOOTBALL WITH 4.2 SPEED AND BARRY SANDERS MOVES...

12 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It isn't though. It's just a bad post. Trae don't got any in between game. That's his problem. He's all bells and whistles but he got no real engineering to him. It's hard to win with a player like that. I always prefer Horford. He's got no bells and whistles but you know his engineering is elite. It's built to make everything else better. Horford is 3M. Trae is an OG fitbit. That shit can do everything but it can't last for shit.

Product development is lacking with Trae but man, I want that fitbit. Whereas, who really wants Ole reliable 3M products but they make life a lot easier. 

You know another player thats coming down the pike thats JUST LIKE TRAE and went to Oklahoma, same as Trae before transferring to USC ?  Teammates can't stand HIM either and the Bears MIGHT be about to mess up and draft him.  All bells and whistles but selfish and all about himself.  He lost to Notre Dame so he steals the show and jumps up in his moma's arms on the sidelines...

Shocking Video Emerges Suggesting USC Players Never Liked Caleb Williams & They’re Happy He’s Gone

A new viral video suggests that USC Trojans players are happy that quarterback Caleb Williams, the consensus top prospect in the 2024 NFL Draft, is gone.

https://www.totalprosports.com/ncaa/video-usc-players-happy-caleb-williams-is-gone/

11 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It isn't though. It's just a bad post. Trae don't got any in between game. That's his problem. He's all bells and whistles but he got no real engineering to him. It's hard to win with a player like that. I always prefer Horford. He's got no bells and whistles but you know his engineering is elite. It's built to make everything else better. Horford is 3M. Trae is an OG fitbit. That shit can do everything but it can't last for shit.

Product development is lacking with Trae but man, I want that fitbit. Whereas, who really wants Ole reliable 3M products but they make life a lot easier. 

THIS...