Blunt91

30 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I hear you, but I imagine OKC likely tried to flip him and found no takers.  Doesn't sound like a contributor to me.  3 teams saw him up close and passed hard. 

Mathews has shown some NBA ability.  Certainly far more than Garuba ever did. 

Not arguing, just offering my perspective. 

Yeah Garrison is more "seasoned" than Garuba but I just think we have too many Guards on the team.  

24 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Weren't HOU folks mad at giving up the Tyty guy and Garuba?  Welp, now they can get em back for cheap. 

     I wouldn't mind giving him a camp invite.  I know we have 15 guarenteed contracts, but I would be willing to "eat" Garrison Matthew's contract if a PF/C such as Garuba can show they they can help the team,  when needed.   I doubt Garrison stays with the Hawks for the entire season as is.

2 hours ago, Dnice said:

Boston Front Office thinking can we pay some of that 304 million in pennies & wic vouchers??

On 7/12/2023 at 7:57 AM, macdaddy said:

i don't even know what that movie is.   I don't see a lot of horror so i have no recommendations.  I heard cocaine bear was pretty gory.  

Cocaine Bear was more of a conedy film than anything else.  The only reason I watched it was because it was showing free on Peacock a few months back.

Insidious 5 "The Red door" was probably the worst of all the series. The very first Insidous centered around Dalton as a child was interesting and the 3rd film was okay.  However, all the others were a waste of time.   Most PG13 horror films are never scary. They rely too much on "Jump" scares.   They are suppose to be coming out with the sequal to the Exorcist in Octobr of this year.   I doubt it is anywhere near as spooky as the first one.   

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

Interesting we make the Mills trade official but the FO is totally silent about Mills and what he brings.

well it has only been a few hour since it was made official.

@Sothron  so is Atlanta planning on Keeping Patty?    p.s. hoping we can still hang on the Bey.  Dude was too cool for school in his shades on the sidelines last night.  

2 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

Was this before or after he was traded to Atlanta?

After the trade

According to the NBA trade machine site, Patty cannot be combined with other players from his team because 2 months have not passed.  He can only be traded by himself or with non-player assets like draft picks and cash.   The restriction expires September 6, 2023.

     Why is it taking so long for the John Collins trade to be made official?  I would have figured it would have been announced earlier today.   

Bring homeJjae Crowder.   

1. San Antonio Spurs

Victor Wembanyama
Metropolitans 92
PF/C
Age: 19.4

While his fellow prospects in the first round play the cat-and-mouse game by conducting one-on-zero workouts, Wembanyama continues to test himself, now going up against Monaco -- one of the best teams in European basketball. Down 2-0 and with his team clearly overmatched talent-wise, Wembanyama still found a way to have a productive showing in Game 2, posting 19 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks and 2 steals. His stellar defense was on full display with the way he put a lid on the rim, hedged ball screens out to half court and switched onto smaller players on the perimeter. The Spurs dispatched their medical staff to France last week to conduct their due diligence, and with that successfully out of the way, everything looks on track for him to be the No. 1 pick and start restoring the proud franchise to relevance. -- Jonathan Givony

2. Charlotte Hornets

Brandon Miller
Alabama
SF
Age: 20.5

Scoot Henderson helped his standing in Charlotte with a highly impressive workout this past weekend in front of the Hornets' front office and coaching staff. He showed an impressive level of conditioning, intensity, explosiveness and shot-making that portend good things for him later. Still, many signs continue to point toward Miller being the pick at No. 2, both due to his clean roster fit as much as the front office's belief in his long-term talent. The Hornets have conducted due diligence in Tuscaloosa to help ease concerns around Miller's involvement in the Jan. 6 fatal shooting of Jamea Jonae Harris. The possibility of New Orleans (who are fans of Henderson) offering Brandon Ingram in a trade for the No. 2 pick could shake things up potentially on draft night, but it's still too early to say whether that is a realistic possibility. -- Givony

3. Portland Trail Blazers

Scoot Henderson
G League Ignite
PG
Age: 19.3

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The Trail Blazers are doing their due diligence by bringing in Amen and Ausar Thompson, Henderson, Cam Whitmore and others for private workouts. Portland will continue to explore trade opportunities until it is on the clock for this pick, but it seems the team will be pleased to select either Miller or Henderson. Henderson's outstanding workout in Charlotte indicates he's very much in play at No. 2 despite Miller continuing to be the favorite there. Miller will be in Portland soon to also make his case for being the No. 3 pick. -- Givony

4. Houston Rockets

Amen Thompson
Overtime Elite
PG/SG
Age: 20.3

At this point, Amen Thompson and Whitmore are the two names circulating as leading candidates at No. 4. One potential factor in the decision is James Harden's potential return to the Rockets -- a situation that rival teams have come to view as increasingly uncertain in recent weeks. Provided they can give Thompson the requisite role and runway to develop and realize his tantalizing upside, Houston can certainly justify a major swing here by betting on the mix of elite athleticism, size and playmaking skills that could turn him into a star and the type of dynamic point guard its roster lacks. Thompson has received strong reviews from teams on the workout circuit and it appears the questions surrounding his jump shot won't preclude him from hearing his name called early. -- Jeremy Woo

5. Detroit Pistons

Cam Whitmore
Villanova
SF
Age: 18.9

Whitmore is getting looks at No. 4 with Houston, but many around the league believe Detroit is a natural landing spot for him considering the Pistons' roster and the significant upside he offers. Whitmore is working out for teams across the top 10 -- including Portland, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana and Utah -- and making a strong impression with his shooting and explosiveness. His workout in Detroit on Monday gave him an opportunity to show the Pistons brass an opportunity to envision how he would fit in a backcourt with Cade Cunningham and Jaden Ivey. Some trade scenarios could be in play for the Pistons with the No. 31 pick as well, for example, packaging Bojan Bogdanovic for Tim Hardaway Jr. and the No. 10 pick, sources tell ESPN. -- Givony

6. Orlando Magic

Ausar Thompson
Overtime Elite
PG/SG
Age: 20.3

This Magic pick represents a key pivot point in the lottery with them weighing a wide range of candidates. While Ausar Thompson may hear his name called a couple picks after his twin brother, some teams prefer his scoring aggressiveness, defensive mindset and his comfort level without the ball. This is a difficult spot for Orlando, with none of the options a perfect fit alongside franchise players Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner. The Magic could be justified in simply taking the biggest upside swing available here, then making a safer choice at No. 11. If Orlando goes a different direction, Thompson isn't expected to fall much further, as he's thought to be strongly in play for Indiana and Washington, as well. -- Woo

7. Indiana Pacers

Jarace Walker
Houston
PF
Age: 19.7

Walker is believed to have a narrow draft range consisting of Detroit at No. 5, Indiana at No. 7 and Utah at No. 9. He will also conduct a workout with Orlando that opens up opportunities for him at the No. 6 and No. 11 picks. With the Pacers believed to be actively seeking an explosive, defensive-minded power forward who can bring a physical presence and multi-positional versatility, Walker is a natural fit for their roster composition, standing 6-foot-8, 249 pounds with 7-2½ wingspan. The team has plenty of shot-creation and scoring with Tyrese Haliburton and Buddy Hield, but struggled defensively and on the glass due to their lack of physicality. Walker, Ausar Thompson (working out later this week) and Taylor Hendricks are said to be their top-two candidates. -- Givony

8. Washington Wizards

Anthony Black
Arkansas
PG/SG
Age: 19.3

The Wizards are believed to be primarily eyeing guards at this spot, as they enter what could be a full rebuild under new boss Michael Winger. Black's playmaking ability, defensive qualities and untapped upside as a 6-7 lead guard could make him an excellent player to build around, and he'd enter a situation that would give him plenty of room to grow into a high-usage role. NBA teams are constantly searching for the type of two-way perimeter versatility Black offers, and his range appears to begin as high as No. 6 with Orlando. He's conducted or will conduct workouts for teams throughout the lottery, including Houston, Utah and Dallas in addition to the Magic. -- Woo

9. Utah Jazz

Taylor Hendricks
UCF
PF
Age: 19.5

The Jazz appear to be in a similar position as Indiana, seeking a gifted forward with defensive versatility to pair with leading scorer Lauri Markkanen, with the top two candidates being Hendricks and Walker. Filling that need with their first pick, and then focusing on adding backcourt depth with their second pick, makes sense considering the number of guards and wings expected to be available later in the draft. However, that plan could change if Black happens to fall here. He's believed to be high on the team's draft board. -- Givony

10. Dallas Mavericks

Dereck Lively II
Duke
C
Age: 19.3

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This Dallas pick is believed to be available in trade scenarios, creating a pivot point where a range of players and teams could wind up in play at No. 10. Lively appears to have helped himself quite a bit in the pre-draft process, having shown improvement over the course of the year at Duke, and now recontextualized himself as the highest upside true center in a draft that's unusually thin at his position. His range is believed to begin with the Mavericks -- he could provide a long-term answer at center -- and his responsibilities would be made easy by playing alongside Luka Doncic. The Magic (No. 11), the Thunder (No. 12) and Hawks (No. 15) are also believed to have interest, and it seems unlikely Lively falls too far out of the lottery, if at all. -- Woo

11. Orlando Magic (via Chicago)

Gradey d*ck
Kansas
SG/SF
Age: 19.5

d*ck's draft range appears to be a little wider than initially anticipated, as he'll be conducting workouts with Orlando for this slot, as well as Oklahoma City (No. 12) and Toronto (No. 13). The pre-draft process, which mostly revolves around one-on-zero workouts in d*ck's case, doesn't necessarily capture his strengths: confidence, competitiveness and feel for the game, which are difficult to measure in drills. Nonetheless, getting a shooter of d*ck's caliber would be a significant boon for the Magic, who have plenty of opportunity on the wing and need to add as much floor spacing as they can to amplify the strengths of franchise stalwarts Banchero and Wagner. Should d*ck slide past Orlando, Toronto is believed to be a strong suitor. -- Givony

12. Oklahoma City Thunder

Kobe Bufkin
Michigan
PG/SG
Age: 19.7

Bufkin has quietly gathered a good deal of interest in the pre-draft process and is being extremely selective where he works out, with a lottery selection potentially on the horizon. The Thunder have plenty of young guards and can go in a number of directions at No. 12, but Oklahoma City rarely hesitates to grab the best talent on the board, and Bufkin has built a strong case to be the first player drafted among a large group of guards jockeying for position. He's a name to watch over the next week, with room to potentially rise higher. Washington and Utah appear to be candidates to select guards at No. 8 and No. 9. -- Woo

13. Toronto Raptors

Jalen Hood-Schifino
Indiana
PG/SG
Age: 19.9

Many around the NBA are curious to see if the Raptors will move up on draft night, as there's a sense that they could be significant trade players depending on how aggressively they want to get involved with the likes of Pascal Siakam and others. Should they stand pat, targeting a guard with considerable upside as a shot-creator -- such as Hood-Schifino -- makes sense. However, adding shooting to this roster will also be another significant priority. There's a big glut of players in this range (d*ck, Bufkin, Cason Wallace, Nick Smith Jr., Jett Howard), but Hood-Schifino's terrific physical traits along with the potential star power he offers could make him very attractive at this slot. -- Givony

14. New Orleans Pelicans

Bilal Coulibaly
Metropolitans 92
SG/SF
Age: 18.8

Coulibaly's strong performances in the playoffs alongside Wembanyama have helped to further solidify him as a player with a real lottery argument. Despite his unavailability to work out for teams, his stock appears to be in a good place. The Jazz and Thunder both sent decision-makers to Monaco this week to take another look at Coulibaly, where he bounced back from a difficult first game in the Pro A finals with a strong performance in Game 2. His physical tools, playmaking potential and two-way upside present a nice developmental bet for any type of roster construction. The Pelicans should have quite a few options at this slot, depending on which players fall here, and should be in position to deepen their perimeter options regardless. -- Woo

15. Atlanta Hawks

Cason Wallace
Kentucky
PG/SG
Age: 19.5

Wallace is a player with one of the biggest draft ranges of any prospect in the class, starting with Washington, Utah and Dallas in the top 10 and continuing through the late teens depending on how the night evolves. Atlanta hasn't had an easy time getting players into its building, as approximately 20 prospects strongly feel they will be selected in the lottery and a significant number of those insist on conducting one-on-zero workouts that are normally reserved for top picks. The Hawks' relatively crowded roster and uncertain direction moving forward makes it difficult to project how many minutes will be available for younger players in the short-term, which has complicated their sales pitch. A tough, defensive-minded combo guard such as Wallace, who can operate in various lineups, could make sense in either their present situation or a future one depending on how the franchise proceeds with Trae Young. -- Givony

Here is Jonathan Givony's latest mock.  He has some interesting info on the Hawks draft workouts.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/37838983/2023-nba-mock-draft-why-scoot-henderson-play-no-2

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Final spot filled for training camp.

 

 

     Another freaking guard!, Shlenk & Fields don't value big men.  They could have brought in a stiff at least for a practice.  What are they going to do if Collins, OO or Capela get hurt during training camp? I guess trot out Malik Elllison to play the 4 or 5 spot.  

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Sean Marks "That's two mediocre players and a worthless draft pick,"" Landry you playin with my emotions."

I wouldn't mind giving a camp invite to Luka Garza & Tyler Cook.   Whoever impresses the most in the preseason can get a non guaranteed deal that will become guaranteed after the January date if still on the team.    1 provide nice 3 point shooting and post scoring while the other has very good athleticism and can help on the boards.   The bigger named guys like Aldridge & Whiteside are going to want to at least be the main backup big.

I think Nick is next in line after Joe Prunty as far as the assistants go.  That is how the names were listed as Hawks.com.  I would have figured Matt Hill would have been higher up since he has been with the team longer.

8 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

His stats, not impressed:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kaminfr01.html

He did shoot 36.5 % in 2020/2021 season and 38% back in 2017.  It is not like he is going to get a lot of playing time, maybe 12mpg at the most.

nice cheap replacement of Gallo's 3 point shooting.

I would love to get Willy Hernangomez from the Pelicans.  His contract is cheap, but his play on court suggest the Pels would not trade him for "peanuts."

4 minutes ago, Blunt91 said:

 

     We can do better than Jock Landale.  He had fewer rebounds (although only a very small percentage less) than Dieng did last season.  He played 3.5 minutes more than Gourgi and Gourgi was/is soft as a rebounder.

Correction it was only 2.5 minutes  but the point still stands neither are good rebounders and we can do a little better than both of them.

42 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

People will end up loving Jock Landale as a 3rd center on this team.  And I don't think we have too many.  Depending on how Jalen Johnson plays, he has a legit shot to crack this rotation, simply because he plays hard and tough.

As I was saying last year, at some point we do need to see what Okongwu playing the 4 looks like. Does his defense translate out to the perimeter, which may allow the Hawks to potentially be an elite defensive team?  If so, Nate will automatically cut Jalen Johnson's minutes.  And that may open up minutes at the backup center spot for Jock.

Jock isn't an impact player.  He just plays hard out on the floor and he normally doesn't hurt the team when he plays.  And he's another big that is very good as the roll man in the pick and roll.  Jock is a big body that we'll need to go up against the big centers, in order to protect Capela and Okongwu from foul trobule.

 

With Jock's shooting potential, a 2nd team lineup could look like this

• Murray
• Bogi
• Holliday ( although I would definitely try Jalen Johnson at the 3 )
• Okongwu
• Landale ( perimeter shooting from the frontline )

 

     We can do better than Jock Landale.  He had fewer rebounds (although only a very small percentage less) than Dieng did last season.  He played 3.5 minutes more than Gourgi and Gourgi was/is soft as a rebounder.

10 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

wasn't he on one of our SL teams?

Yes he was, and he will probably be on this years team.  Remember the article I posted where Grant Golden was talking about the Hawks having only  one other big on the Summer  roster, well this might whom he was talking about.    Technically Jock is an overseas player even though he has played in the states.

Whoop there it is!