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I mean coming out of college he is physically similar to tristan. Slightly taller with a slightly shorter wing span. I see no reason his future isn't as a center as he develops.
With that said athletically he can handle the 4 as well which allows versatilty. That's why I voted hybrid, but I think he predominately plays C.
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SnT sap for lamarcus and Danny green. Salaries should match. San Antonio can make a run at CP3. We get veterans to help with the youth movement.
Us... Shro / green / prince / Collins / Aldridge
Them... CP3 / ? / Kawhi / Millsap / gasol
I'm guessing hardaway will get too much for shlenk to want to sign him.
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7 hours ago, Hawk88 said:
I think I would reach a little for DJ Wilson. 6-10 athletic can shoot the 3. We need everything so why not?
Also like Bam with Kentucky.
I was a fan of dj, but I watched a couple of non tourney games and he is too soft to be a starting pf in my opinion. At least as a pf.
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Given our workouts and estimated draft slotting on mocks, I wonder if bud and gang like Dwayne bacon based on his workout with us? That 41st pick seems like the more likely slot for him.
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With the 76ers making the move to get the number one pick, presumably Fultz... I think that a trade for baze could work...
Baze and #60 for Henderson and #36.
We clear cap space and get another pick in a deep draft.
They get a great fit in terms of a veteran defender who thrives on playing off ball. They clear a draft pick that they don't need. Trade #60 for cash.
Fultz / Baze / Simmons / Saric / Embiid ain't bad looking on paper.
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I'd agree, but when you see people considering a guy like Justin Patton, Harry Giles, Jarrett Allen, and even John Collins for a top 20 pick. I'd argue this guy is an equivalent, if not better, prospect.
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Unless we pull off some miracle and can work a team over - a la Ainge - I wouldn't want to give up the assets needed to make that jump. No one outside of the top 5 picks would move the needle enough for me to give up a fortune for. I'm ok trading back to the mid 20s tho if we can pick up additional assets this year or next.
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We already have 1 guard who is developing but can't shoot. A lot of other players I'd rather have at 31. Pass for me.
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7 minutes ago, Thomas said:
Curious as to how a thread about possibly acquiring Avery would bring any posts about improving the Celtics starting lineup. It didn't even involve us in the trade mentioned. They are our enemy right?
More wishful thinking ainge stays stupid enough thinking a future 2 would bring in LeBron James esque players.
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I'm moving Thomas, crowder and next years Brooklyn pick for Lopez and butler if i'm Boston.
Fultz / butler / brown / horford / Lopez is legit.
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8 hours ago, NBASupes said:
This could be the case but if he's nowhere near Sap value on offense even at the same stage, what's his true value. That just means he is a rotation player. What makes Sap so good is the combination of his excellent offensive and defensive skills and versatility. He's an SF with PF size on offense. Green looks like a PF, not even one that's talented. Just a hard working one but that's not a starter in the NBA.
I'm not sure I'd agree he is not a starter in the NBA. And his offense is just developing. 4/78 may be a bit lofty, but if we could match bazes contract and get him, I'd do it.I agree, this is a gamble. But one id take for the right price...
A couple of comparisons below (to mirotic).
1 year older.
WS: 5.8 (3.8)
WS/48: .131 (.108)
TS%: .601 (.546)
VORP: .6 (.4)
PER: 13.5 (14.5)
Net Rtg: .4 (4.5)
I think he is a good player and with more usage people will see that. A guy like mirotic is what he is. A guy like green has more potential (won't be a star) but under bud could develop into a very good player. At a bazemore price tag, id pull the trigger.
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18 minutes ago, NBASupes said:
Nothing says he is Sap anything. Not data, not eye test, not adv analytics. Nothing.
Offensively id agree. Defensively it's closer than you think. Go back and watch sap at 26 in the jazz. I'm not talking about a 10+ year vet that has it all figured out.
He'll never be Millsap. But parts of his game are similar.
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Green will be more money with more potential. Could be sap-lite.
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I'll take a stab at this...
Draft:
Round 1(19): Jonah Bolden. Some may think it's a reach, but at this juncture the new GM is trying to look like a genius and make that underrated draft pick. Tall, handles, and can shoot. Weak competition leaves a lot of question marks.
Round 2 (31): Frank Jackson. He is the perfect pick to develop as a backup point guard in Bud's system. Athletic, defensive ability, with a 3 point stroke. Decision making and handles need to improve. He has time to develop based on how the depth chart plays out.
Round 2 (60): Traded to Philadelphia
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Trade:
Atlanta Trades: Kent Bazemore, 2017 #60, and Cleveland 1st.
Philadelphia Trades: Richaun Holmes & Gerald Henderson
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Roster Moves:
1) Waive Gerald Henderson. Contract not guaranteed.... $1 million hit if waived before 6/30.2) JaMychal Green (4/78): Big splash... Potential overpay, but we aren't going to spend $30M on Sap nor attract other big name free agents.
3) Jodie Meeks (3/24): 6th man.
4) Irsan Illyasova (2/18)
5) Kris Humphries (3/8)
6) Tim Hardaway Jr (5/70)
7) Jose Calderon (Vet Min)
8) Mike Dunleavy (2/9)
Salary cap is tight so may need to get creative.
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Depth Chart:
Shro / Calderon / Delaney / F Jackson (SG Minutes)
THJ / Meeks
Prince / Bembry / Dunleavy (SG Minutes)
J Green / Illyasova / Bolden (SF-C Minutes)
Howard / R Holmes / Humphries
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I have no interest. If memory serves he is a free agent after next season and he will be paid. Don't want to invest that much money in this guy. He isn't a game changer imo.
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37 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:
Let me be clearer, I'd take Jimmy plus our OWN 2 1st round picks in 2018 and 2019.
(It's Thjr and 3 picks, not 4)
Is there a legit rumor on this? I may have missed it
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What about baze and our Cleveland pick for Holmes / Bayless?
If Embiid is healthy and they don't get rid of okafor... They get 2 assets for 2 backups. And bringing in a veteran presents from a winning culture. Plus bazes contract is up when a few of their big names are so it allows them flexibility when they need it. He would be a great backup of the bench for Simmons or even start at sg so they aren't tempted to draft a guy like monk if fox is available
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Frank Jackson at 31 would be a great pickup for a backup point / combo guard. Under the bud system of learning he would be a pretty solid.
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1 minute ago, KB21 said:
That's revisionist history. Go read the reports on Green when he was coming out of Michigan State........not explosive.....lacks lateral agility............not athletic........doesn't play above the rim.....etc.
I'm going from memory of watching them both play. I could be wrong, but Draymond was a more athletic player in college.
I'm not against the guy. Getting a solid role player in the 2nd would be great. Just don't expect some B+ grade starter to come from the pick.
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No interest in hartenstein, rabb, that Jeanne guy, or anyone from cuse.
Alsojust to poke the bear, zero interest in swanigan before the 35th pick.
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Are you Caleb's brother? The dude will carve a niche as a nice role player, but would otherwise be exposed on the defensive end.
Draymond was a better athlete coming out. So yes, athleticsim does have a lot to do with production. Caleb out muscles people.
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I think I'm going to need some time to decompress from this.
bud style. You'll probably catch me on the 6 oclock news tonight
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1 hour ago, KB21 said:
Why would I draft a guy who's basically a rim runner over a guy who I can feed the ball to in the low post, play him in the high post, and have him be the pick and pop man on a pick and roll?
I agree. I think Patton is the flavor of the month. Rebounding translates. He is a 7 footer that didn't impress with rebounding. He will be serviceable at best. I'll pass on Patton unless it's at 31 (bigger bust is going to be that Evans guy out of Texas). With that said. I'm still taking him over swanigan if that is who you are still pushing.
Motley all day over either.
bud style. You'll probably catch me on the 6 oclock news tonight
Long term... Is Collins going to be a PF or a C?
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He has a long ways to go defensively to get there. I'm just speaking body type. But if anyone can push him there it is bud. And I agree, all star caliber at that point.