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40/16 and fouled out 2 people.

Those watching Brook Lopez vs the Hawks tonight and seeing the problem he's being. I'll remind you he's 3 inches shorter and 18lbs lighter than Edey.

WTF? Vit is guarding Lopez?

Its about time I got my flowers.

People forget he never played basketball until 9th grade when he hit 6'10" and couldn't play hockey anymore. He didn't even learn to guard till his junior year in high school. He's kind of amazing when viewed through that lens.

"It's a rare occurrence, like a double rainbow or someone on the internet saying, "you know what, you convinced me. I was wrong"" Michael, The Good Place.

If you ever watched Bruno in college, his feet were glued to the lane.

He gets hacked so much, refs get numb to it. People just hanging off of him on put back attempts.

Not gonna lie, laziest game I've seen from him in a while. Quiet 11 point 1st half.

Purdue v Gonzaga tipoff incoming. If you're watching, thread your impressions of Edey here.

We'll lets be fair here too, there is bound to be the potential to package a pick + piece to move up from 18(ish) or the potential to pick something up and move down from 10.

If we've done anything in this thread, we're going to push a lot of Squawkers to watch Purdue v Gonzaga tonight at @7:30 to take a real time look at Edey.

DH 11 boards now.

Checking in. Loving the effort again tonight.

Everything you stated above is opinion and conjecture. Posting up is not obsolete. It happens every game still, 10-15 times per game. 2 points is 2 points. There are roughly 100 offensive possessions per game with team scoring roughly 115-120 ppg. That's 1.2 points per possession. Edey is a beast in post ups, lobs and put backs. Between his fg% in the post and and1's, his efficiency is closer to 1.5 points per possession or equivalent to a 50% 3 point shooter. Being a threat in the post frees up 3 point shooting (see Dwight Howard prime in Orlando). I really don't understand how you aren't seeing this. He is so impactful, his Purdue team probably wouldn't have even made the tourney without him. He is literally the difference been an NIT bid and a 1 seed in the field of 64.

I think the dumbest comment I've heard thus far was the comparison to Tacko Fall. Fall senior year - 11.1/7.6 (AAC) Edey senior year - 24.5/12.1 (Big 10) They are not remotely the same player. Both are tall and that is where the similarities end.

From a FT point generation perspective alone. Edey draws so many fouls, he's averaging almost 10 free throws a game. He's double/triple teamed most games and still shoots 62%. By just dumping the ball down to Edey, teams have to pick a poison. If they let him be single covered in the post, he'll convert 80% of the time (1.6 point/possession). If they drop a guard to double, you're giving Trae/DJM/Bogie or Matthews a wide open 3. How in the holy hell is that worse than OO?

Okay now this is just silly. Edey is by far the better offensive player. In the NBA, where the 3 point line gives centers more room to operate, he becomes an even better post up threat. None, absolutely none of our current centers save Bruno can be counted on to get a bucket back to the basket. Its flip a coin in a post. Edey is a better lob threat, a better offensive rebounder, better post up player and would immediately be our best screen setter. OO better than Edey offensively is ridiculous. I do not care if he's been hitting 3's at a 33% clip. That does not make him a better offensive player.

Which was my point. Typically we disagree on who to take. 1/2 the time, Soth and I disagree on who to take. We have all 3 saying, take Edey if he's available. Given the norm, that's got to make people rethink that.

I challenge anyone in this conversation to tell me who they pick in this draft who could beat out Trae at PG, DJM at SG, DH at SF, JJ at PF at pick 10....I would venture no one. I'm confident Edey can beat out OO or Clint if not year 1, year 2. He's a senior. He doesn't need College Park.

I'm saying at 10, there really aren't any needle movers or potential needle movers. Edey is a potential needle mover. Also, none of our current centers are a top 15 big in the league. Clint gives great effort but he's really limited and his offensive limitations are a real problem. OO's size is a real problem. Bruno has played well recently but as a starter against the best bigs in the league he struggles. Edey is the only center on the draft board that has the potential to be a real problem for other teams. The rest's potential is no better than Clint/OO. OO was 16.2/8.6 in college and we took him at 6. Edey's last 2 seasons he's averaging 23/12. 10 feels like a steal.

On "who to take" we usually disagree.

He's going to get beat in the pick n' pop more than the pick n' roll. He naturally falls into drop coverage. He doesn't try to guard the switch out of the pick. He tries to protect the drive. At the NBA level, that can still be pretty bad as players like Trae will kill you with lobs and floaters, Derozan will 2 pointer you to death but I think you're overthinking this. Constantly targeting him in the pick n roll game will greatly affect a team's offense over the course of a game. I'm not too worried about it for 48 minutes.

I keep my comments short on prospects and don't engage in back and forth much.

Here's what should give you pause on Edey. @Sothron and I agree on player evals about 50% of the time but we agree here. @NBASupes and I agree on player evals about 10% of the time. We fight openly much more than we agree, but we agree here. We are 3 diverse opinions on players and their future value. During the Cam Reddish initial debate, Supes attacked me openly for just saying pump the brakes on Reddish. He has fixable mechanical problems in his shot and has decision making problems. I feel I was proven right in that fight. It was an open fight and all I said was "he's not all that today". But we both agree that Edey should be the pick at 10. Now Supes tends to make much more emotional arguments than I do and engages in keyboard fist-a-cuffs whereas I just check out and let others pound the keyboard. My position on #10. By the time we pick, anyone who will be an all-star in the future will most likely be off the board. By pick 10 its a crap shoot. The players picked after the first 5 become increasingly hard to discern if their basketball skills and work ethic will translate to the NBA. 2/3rds of the players picked in the NBA draft never see a second NBA contract (real stat). Most of the players chosen 1-10 get a second contract. This means about 80% of the players chosen after 10 will be out of the league in 4 years. Its a game of chance. One of those players this year will be 7-4, 300 lbs and is the back to back college basketball player of the year. Given I've got an 80% chance of picking the wrong player, I believe picking a player with the above credentials is your best bet. I'm not even stating he'll score 15 ppg in the NBA or get a 2nd contract. What I am saying is by pick 10 the pickings will be slim and the chance of failure high. Edey offers by far the best chance to get a second contract. I'm not even taking anyone seriously crapping on him right now. The guy has proven against 260lb college centers than he can get 30/20 in 30 minutes. The guy played with team Canada in FIBA and was respected by his peers at that level. Given his size and stats, that's plenty for me.