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Quote: It is the best starters we had on PAPER since: Mutumbo Laettner Corbin Smith Mookie Now its time to see what they can do. That was exactly the team the first year I became a fan...1996-1997 season. I was only 10 years old, but I became obsessed so quickly! I miss those days... Brighter days are ahead, though!

Quote: I'm at the club reading this ish. You guys have me rolling. A female asked me what was I laughing at? Easy answer to this question. As the team is comstructed right now, Horford has to play the 5 as much as possible. I truly believe if we had good passing PG, Horford ofensively would be a lot better. We'll see the impact that Bibby has on his game. Defensively, he is solid most nights Most important, the production he gives us at center, isn't significantly different than if he played PF. If he played PF full time, i don't see him being no more than a 13 and 10 guy, because he's not necessarily a polished offensive player. He wasn't the go to guy in college. He was more of the do everything to help the team win guy. That'll probably be the type of NBA player he'll be. I think Horford would be 25% better at PF, than at C. If he played center his entire career, he could still be a goood center. But because of his rawness offensively, I'm not sure if he'll be great if he played PF anyway. Meanwhile, the dropoff with Smoove at SF, is dramatic. Put him at SF, and all of his flaws are exposed. That's not necessarily the case with Horford at center. If Smoove's potential at PF is a 22 and 8 guy, and Horford's potential at C is a 15 and 12 guy, I can definitely live with that combination on the frontline for us. That's the best of both worlds in my opinion. "B-b-but, that wasn't the poll question!!! You're not allowed to think outside the box!!!" Good response northcyde...That is exactly what I have been saying during this entire completely fruitless conversation. Exodus just wants someone to argue with.

Quote: Quote: But since that won't happen, I didn't realize i was arguing with a soothsayer. So why didn't you tell us in advance we were going to trade for Bibby? This has officially been the most pointless sports conversation of my life, considering you are talking about something that is completely irrelevant to the "good of the team" (as you stated)...Which is the entire point I am on this message board...To discuss what is best for the team. Good night.

Quote: Quote: More like I just think it would be absolutely to go First of all that doesn't make sense and secondly if it did make sense it would be an assumption. Like i said you were making assumptions in order to justify the fact that you want Horford at center full time even though you admit he is better off at the 4. I left out the word "pointless" accidentally. The only assumption I am making is that Josh Smith is on this team. And as long as Josh Smith is on this team, it is in our best interest to keep Al Horford at Center...Unless an amazing C just happens to fall into our laps without having to give up Horford. Then he could be back-up PF/C. But since that won't happen, as long as he is here and so is Josh Smith, he should get the grand majority of his minutes at C. Obviously he would be a better PF in the long run. I AM TALKING ABOUT RELATIVE TO THE ATLANTA HAWKS BASKETBALL TEAM.

Quote: Quote: For the Atlanta Hawks (which is the only thing I give a [censored] about), as long as Josh Smith is here, Al Horford should see almost all of his minutes at C. I made the poll question very simple and clear. I made no assumptions about the roster other than Smith being here. So if Smith is here and we get a center that is as good or better at center than Horford then, in your opinion, Horford should still play all his minutes at center. OK Not necessarily. More like I just think it would be absolutely pointless to go out and get a better C than Horford (unless we give him up) as long as Josh Smith is here.

Quote: Quote: the more our back-up C is going to be taking up minutes at the 5. Now you are FINALLY understanding my point. And your point is based on an assumption you made which wasn't part of the poll. You made that assumption to justify your opinion. You are assuming that the other center we get won't be as good at center as Horford. Your problem is that you don't even realize that you made that assumption, which has no relevance to the poll The difference is, I am talking about Atlanta Hawks basketball. I guess you are strictly talking about Al Horford. For the Atlanta Hawks (which is the only thing I give a [censored] about), as long as Josh Smith is here, Al Horford should see almost all of his minutes at C. Any other scenario is completely irrelevant to me.

Quote: Quote: Because we have someone who is better at the 4. So since Horford is the second best 4 on the roster that means he should never play there. OK Yes, because the more he plays there, the more our back-up C is going to be taking up minutes at the 5. Now you are FINALLY understanding my point.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: What is best for the TEAM is irrelevant. Then why did you even make this topic, and why have I wasted the past hour talking about this?? This entire conversation is officially pointless if "what is best for the team" is irrelevant. The question, since you didn't understand it the first time, was what distribution of minutes would get the most production out of HORFORD. The reason that the team is irrelevant is because the only player that we know will be on the team is Smith. That is the only assumption i made in response to your post. I made no assumptions about the rest of the team which i think everyone understood except you. Well who gives a crap about anything except the team?? If Smith is on the team, it is best for Horford to be at C, for the TEAM...And that's all I care about. So, then it's a stupid and pointless question. You do realize that a teams roster can be changed, right? That is what teams do, they make moves and build around there core players. They bring in guys that complement their core. I think the poeple voting in this poll understand that pretty well. The fact that you said Horford was better at the 4 but shouldn't play any minutes there is...... Because we have someone who is better at the 4.

Quote: Quote: Quote: What is best for the TEAM is irrelevant. Then why did you even make this topic, and why have I wasted the past hour talking about this?? This entire conversation is officially pointless if "what is best for the team" is irrelevant. The question, since you didn't understand it the first time, was what distribution of minutes would get the most production out of HORFORD. The reason that the team is irrelevant is because the only player that we know will be on the team is Smith. That is the only assumption i made in response to your post. I made no assumptions about the rest of the team which i think everyone understood except you. Well who gives a crap about anything except the team?? If Smith is on the team, it is best for Horford to be at C, for the TEAM...And that's all I care about. So, then it's a stupid and pointless question.

Quote: What is best for the TEAM is irrelevant. Then why did you even make this topic, and why have I wasted the past hour talking about this?? This entire conversation is officially pointless if "what is best for the team" is irrelevant.

Quote: I want the best players on the floor as much as possible. Unless something drastic happens, Horford needs to be at the 5. I'm not bothering with "hypotheticals." Thank you.

Quote: Quote: With this team OF COURSE I WANT HORFORD PLAYING ALL HIS MINUTES AT CENTER!! Because we do not have a viable back-up that can play 26 mpg according to your math. First of all this is a LONG TERM POLL. THE CURRENT ROSTER IS IRRELEVANT. THE ONLY ROSTER ASSUMPTION IS THAT SMITH IS ON THE ROSTER. THERE ARE NO OTHER PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS POLL. And again you can't make a post without mentioning starter or backup. What makes it funny is that you said horford is better at the 4 yet you don't want him playing any minutes there, which pretty much sums up your lack of logic on the subject. go back to studying. You aren't making a bit of sense here. If Smith is on the roster, I want Horford playing Center. It's as simple as that. Horford taking Smith's minutes as the BACK-UP PF would mean that the BACK-UP C would be playing the majority of minutes at Center. What do you not understand about that?

Quote: Quote: Because we will have to devote WAY too many minutes to our back-up C. There you go again with your assumptions. You are assuming that our other center will be worse at center than Horford. Whether or not we get a center better or worse than Horford, and whether or not he starts, are irrelevant to the poll. Like i said you simply don't understand it. First off, are you just arguing to argue or are you actually trying to make a point?? All you keep saying over and over again is "You don't understand" instead of actually discussing. If you are just arguing to argue, I am going to be finished wasting my time on this topic...I have a test I am supposed to be studying for. I've already answered your poll question about 5 times now...You just don't like the answer. With this team OF COURSE I WANT HORFORD PLAYING ALL HIS MINUTES AT CENTER!! Because we do not have a viable back-up that can play 26 mpg according to your math.

Quote: Like i said you simply don't understand the poll, or you are refusing to answer truthfully. You are making all these assumptions in order to justify your opinion that Horford should be the full time center. No, I am simply explaining to you why if Josh Smith is on this team, it makes no sense to play Horford at the 4....Because we will have to devote WAY too many minutes to our back-up C. So, yes, I absolutely answered the question...As long as Josh Smith is on the team, Horford should get almost (if not all) of his minutes at C.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: So you would rather Horford just be the back-up PF and back-up C? Maybe you should read my initial post again. where did i make any mention of starter or backup? And again the initial post was asking how to get THE MOST PROCUTION OUT OF HORFORD. If you want him to be a starter , then find me a back-up NBA C that is deserving of playing 26 mpg. I give up. You clearly don't understand the poll question and never will. I made no mention of who would be the starter. I made no mention of who would be the backup. I made no assumptions about the rest of the roster other than Smith being here. And you don't understand any of this. Here is what I gathered from you. You want Smith to play 35 mins...That leaves 13 mins at PF...Which you want Horford to take. Now if Horford plays 35 mins, 13 of which is at PF, that leaves 22 minutes he is playing C. Since there are 48 minutes of C in a game, that leaves 26 minutes to the BACK-UP Center. Now, as I asked before, please explain to me what Center we are going to go get that can come in as a back-up and effectively play 26 minutes per game. As I said before, I'd rather just have Horford and Smoove playing 35 minutes each at their respective positions they are already at.

Quote: Quote: So you would rather Horford just be the back-up PF and back-up C? Maybe you should read my initial post again. where did i make any mention of starter or backup? And again the initial post was asking how to get THE MOST PROCUTION OUT OF HORFORD. If you want him to be a starter, then find me a back-up NBA C that is deserving of playing 26 mpg.

Quote: Quote: Quote: This is what you said in the other thread Quote: Sure, he (Horford) would be better at the 4, yet you don't want him playing even 13 minutes there. Clearly you don't understand the poll question. You are making assumptions about the rest of the roster other than Smith. I'd rather have those 13 minutes being our starting C rather than having our back-up C adding those minutes to his total. In that case, our back-up C would be playing the majority of the minutes at C...Screw that. So you would rather play horford at his second best position as opposed to playing a legit center at his best position. OK So you would rather Horford just be the back-up PF and back-up C? He is and should always be a starter...And I doubt you will find a back-up C on any other roster in the NBA that is deserving of 26 minutes of starting center on our team.

Quote: This is what you said in the other thread Quote: Sure, he (Horford) would be better at the 4, yet you don't want him playing even 13 minutes there. Clearly you don't understand the poll question. You are making assumptions about the rest of the roster other than Smith. I'd rather have those 13 minutes being our starting C rather than having our back-up C adding those minutes to his total. In that case, our back-up C would be playing the majority of the minutes at C...Screw that.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Whenever Smoove is in...I want him at the 4. Whenever Horford is in at the same time as Smoove...I want him at the 5. And that does not mean that Horford would have to spend 80% of his minutes at the 5. Even if Smith played 35 minutes at the 4 that would leave 13 minutes at the 4 available for Horford. Assuming that Horford played 35 minutes a game and 13 at the 4 that would mean 22 minutes (63%) at center. So you're telling me Zaza or whoever else is going to have to accommodate for TWENTY SIX (26!!) other minutes at Center??? Yikes...I'd rather just play Horford 35 mins at Center and give Zaza about 13 mins there. I am making no assumptions about the rest of the roster other than Smith being here. if i had my way Zaza would be gone. and if Horford is playing more center that means someone besides him is playing the 4 when Smith is out.In case you hadn't noticed the 4 spot is much stronger league wide than the 5. Fine with me. I'll take Smoove for 35 mins at the 4, Horford for 35 mins at the 5 and backups at each for 13 mins EASILY over... 35 mins at the 4 for Smoove, 13 mins at the 4 for Horford, 22 mins at the 5 for Horford, and 26 mins for our back-up C at the 5.

Quote: Quote: Whenever Smoove is in...I want him at the 4. Whenever Horford is in at the same time as Smoove...I want him at the 5. And that does not mean that Horford would have to spend 80% of his minutes at the 5. Even if Smith played 35 minutes at the 4 that would leave 13 minutes at the 4 available for Horford. Assuming that Horford played 35 minutes a game and 13 at the 4 that would mean 22 minutes (63%) at center. So you're telling me Zaza or whoever else is going to have to accommodate for TWENTY SIX (26!!) other minutes at Center??? Yikes...I'd rather just play Horford 35 mins at Center and give Zaza about 13 mins there.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: I don't see the correlation between those two statements. smith spends more time at center right now than at the 3. If Smith plays 30 minutes a game at the 4 that leaves 18 minutes at the 4 for someone else. I am not understanding your math. If Josh Smith and Al Horford are both starters and you want Horford at the 4, Josh Smith can't possibly be at the 4 at the same time which means he is away from his best position Thank you. LOL RIF Josh Smith plays 35.5 mpg...If I were coach, every single one of those minutes would be at the 4. That only leaves 12.5 mpg of time open at the 4. Horford is going to be getting a lot of minutes at C...I'm not sure how many minutes per game you are expecting him to play.

Quote: Quote: Ok, then obviously I'm going to want Horford to play 80% or more of his minutes at C. Smoove at the 3 is just a flat out terrible idea. I don't see the correlation between those two statements. smith spends more time at center right now than at the 3. If Smith plays 30 minutes a game at the 4 that leaves 18 minutes at the 4 for someone else. I am not understanding your math. Ok, I'll say it another way. Whenever Smoove is in...I want him at the 4. Whenever Horford is in at the same time as Smoove...I want him at the 5. Otherwise, sure Horford can play the 4 when Smoove isn't in, so long as it works.

Quote: Quote: I don't see the correlation between those two statements. smith spends more time at center right now than at the 3. If Smith plays 30 minutes a game at the 4 that leaves 18 minutes at the 4 for someone else. I am not understanding your math. If Josh Smith and Al Horford are both starters and you want Horford at the 4, Josh Smith can't possibly be at the 4 at the same time which means he is away from his best position Thank you.